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Post by vinny on Mar 22, 2024 13:22:37 GMT
Send in armed UN peacekeepers, break up the fight between Israel and Hamas. Rebuild homes, schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Get water flowing again. Get food to the people. Get the UN policing both Gaza and the West Bank even if it means firing on the IDF or Hamas. Provide counselling to those who have lost loved ones.
Build workplaces.
Turn Palestine into a viable state administered under a UN mandate.
Have the UN provide schooling for 50 years.
Use the clock against Hamas fighters.
Kick out illegal settlers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2024 23:57:23 GMT
Send in armed UN peacekeepers, break up the fight between Israel and Hamas. Rebuild homes, schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Get water flowing again. Get food to the people. Get the UN policing both Gaza and the West Bank even if it means firing on the IDF or Hamas. Provide counselling to those who have lost loved ones.
Build workplaces.
Turn Palestine into a viable state administered under a UN mandate.
Have the UN provide schooling for 50 years.
Use the clock against Hamas fighters.
Kick out illegal settlers.
I pretty much agree. Israel has been allowed to get away with too much for too long. |
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 23, 2024 1:16:17 GMT
Israel has created Hamas.
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Post by RedRum on Mar 23, 2024 6:58:34 GMT
I cannot disagree with anything that has been said but I also believe that the countries that have supplied arms to Israel, especially during the 'conflict' should foot the bill.
Hamas do need to be held to account as do the IDF and that can only be achieved if something drastic is done to stop the fighting.
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2024 8:49:57 GMT
The only way you could make this work is if the UN also pays compensation for any breach - and it does so effectively out of the wages and budgets and those in control. Otherwise, the UN will just take payments from groups like Hamas.
One of pour problems is that all the institutions the world might leverage to deal with this sort of thing have been infiltrated and become criminal operations
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 9:57:24 GMT
Israel has created Hamas. The problem here is that in it's decades long oppression of the Palestinian Arabs, and constant annexations of land in the West Bank, Israel has been driving the Palestinians into the arms of people like Hamas. And they in turn have been driving ever more Israelis into a hard line position that allows no national autonomy for the Palestinian Arabs. A vicious circle that can only be broken by the morally brave on both sides. The terrible and appalling and unjustifiable atrocities Hamas committed on October 7th were fuelled in part by the kind on intense anger and hatred that decades of oppression and occupation can generate. Innocent Israeli civilians, some of whom had always championed peace with the Palestinians, reaped the whirlwind of the wind sowed by Israel over many years. Of course, those responsible for the atrocities needed to be hunted down and punished. No nation could be expected to stand by and do nothing in the face of such an attack. But the reaction seems to lack restraint or consideration for civilians and seems to be targeting the entire people of Gaza as a form of collective punishment. Netanyahu and his government are thus almost as bad as Hamas and it looks as if they don't want the Arabs in Gaza anymore. Is this deliberate genocide? Opinions can differ on that and different Israelis no doubt think different things, but in the light of what we see happening now it is not an outlandish thing to believe. I'd probably be banned in the other place for saying this. See2 would gleefully pounce on this as evidence of my left wing antisemitism, lol |
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Post by montegriffo on Mar 23, 2024 11:24:52 GMT
Agree, a constant barrage of rocket attacks and other atrocities committed on Israel has hardened the Israeli people to the point they are prepared to vote for ever more radical right wing governments.
A pox on both houses but that does not mean that either side should be ethnically cleansed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 11:30:50 GMT
Agree, a constant barrage of rocket attacks and other atrocities committed on Israel has hardened the Israeli people to the point they are prepared to vote for ever more radical right wing governments. A pox on both houses but that does not mean that either side should be ethnically cleansed. I agree. |
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Post by Zany on Mar 24, 2024 19:13:35 GMT
Agree, a constant barrage of rocket attacks and other atrocities committed on Israel has hardened the Israeli people to the point they are prepared to vote for ever more radical right wing governments. A pox on both houses but that does not mean that either side should be ethnically cleansed. But the alternative was for Palestinians to quietly lose their land and disappear. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 24, 2024 19:44:01 GMT
Agree, a constant barrage of rocket attacks and other atrocities committed on Israel has hardened the Israeli people to the point they are prepared to vote for ever more radical right wing governments. A pox on both houses but that does not mean that either side should be ethnically cleansed. But the alternative was for Palestinians to quietly lose their land and disappear. nonsense. By refusing to set a boundary and stick to it (enforce it themselves) they are making their own survival harder |
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Post by walterpaisley on Mar 24, 2024 20:08:38 GMT
The problem with sending in the UN Peacekeepers is that there's no "peace" to "keep".
The charter allows only for the maintenance of peace - not the creation of it.
(Personally, I wish it were otherwise - that they could go in and force an end to the conflict..)
Also, neither side are going to exactly welcome the UN with open arms (even if Russia and China were to vote for it - which they wouldn't). Hamas are murderous nutters, and Israel have had decades of blithely ignoring UN resolutions.
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Post by Zany on Mar 24, 2024 21:27:35 GMT
But the alternative was for Palestinians to quietly lose their land and disappear. nonsense. By refusing to set a boundary and stick to it (enforce it themselves) they are making their own survival harder Sorry? When have the Palestinians ever been given a boundary the Israel stuck to? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 25, 2024 9:12:16 GMT
nonsense. By refusing to set a boundary and stick to it (enforce it themselves) they are making their own survival harder Sorry? When have the Palestinians ever been given a boundary the Israel stuck to? The original UN offer was for autonomy. More recently the arrangement for Gaza. Each time the Palestinians are given or offered some level of autonomy and self policing,, they use that space to launch attacks on jews / Israel That's the key reason they have this 'intractable' situation. It's not intractable at all. to improve their situation, all they need to do is not launch attacks on Israel . .Apparently,, they just can't help themselves and so be it. |
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Post by Zany on Mar 25, 2024 14:34:19 GMT
Sorry? When have the Palestinians ever been given a boundary the Israel stuck to? The original UN offer was for autonomy. More recently the arrangement for Gaza. Each time the Palestinians are given or offered some level of autonomy and self policing,, they use that space to launch attacks on jews / Israel That's the key reason they have this 'intractable' situation. It's not intractable at all. to improve their situation, all they need to do is not launch attacks on Israel . .Apparently,, they just can't help themselves and so be it. The Gaza is squeezed as more and more Arabs are forced out of the West Bank, which you failed to mention. Further Gaza is under Israeli law which is not freedom or democracy. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 25, 2024 15:22:45 GMT
The original UN offer was for autonomy. More recently the arrangement for Gaza. Each time the Palestinians are given or offered some level of autonomy and self policing,, they use that space to launch attacks on jews / Israel That's the key reason they have this 'intractable' situation. It's not intractable at all. to improve their situation, all they need to do is not launch attacks on Israel . .Apparently,, they just can't help themselves and so be it. The Gaza is squeezed as more and more Arabs are forced out of the West Bank, which you failed to mention. Further Gaza is under Israeli law which is not freedom or democracy. Now you are arm waving and expanding - adding further dimensions. The same basic principle applies - if they stay on their side of an agreed fence, Israel has no rationale.to do anything. The Palestinians need to face up to the dilemma - either they are at war, in which case just about any action Israel takes can be justified, or they pursuing a stable boundary, in which case they can't launch rocket attacks and hold government sanctioned Jew barbecues. Choose A or B - having both wont work. |
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