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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 7:32:06 GMT
nonsense. By refusing to set a boundary and stick to it (enforce it themselves) they are making their own survival harder You do know that the Palestinians are not 'allowed' armed forces, that is why Hamas are called terrorists. ...that and barbecuing Jews |
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 9:41:15 GMT
Hamas are the terrorist paramilitary organisation that the Gazans elected to represent them BS That electroal mandate ran out over 10 years ago. And not only that, most 2024 Gazans did not even get the chance to vote in that election. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 9:44:10 GMT
Hamas are the terrorist paramilitary organisation that the Gazans elected to represent them BS That electroal mandate ran out over 10 years ago. And not only that, most 2024 Gazans did not even get the chance to vote in that election. What I said is true. Take a look at my words, |
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 9:50:31 GMT
'The Gazans' refers to the current Gazans. Had you said the then Gazans had elected Hamas you'd have had a point but an irrelevant one.
Half of Gazans weren't even born when a party that campaigned on peace with Israel (but was actually Hamas) won that 2007 election. Another 25% of Gazans did not have the vote then and of that remaining 25% many of them did not vote for Hamas.
You're positioning a false argument.
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 10:14:01 GMT
Hamas are the terrorist paramilitary organisation that the Gazans elected to represent them One vote 17 / 18 years ago with no more votes since, hardly constitutes "elected" government. The 20 year olds of today were toddlers then. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 10:39:23 GMT
'The Gazans' refers to the current Gazans. Had you said the then Gazans had elected Hamas you'd have had a point but an irrelevant one. There is perhaps nothing more embarrassing than a mistaken attempt at pedantry. It looks to me like you have problems with very basic English comprehension. My statement was / is completely correct. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 10:40:21 GMT
Hamas are the terrorist paramilitary organisation that the Gazans elected to represent them One vote 17 / 18 years ago with no more votes since, hardly constitutes "elected" government. The 20 year olds of today were toddlers then. I didn't say it 'represented' anything. Gaza is dysfunctional Having just held public celebrations for barbecuing Jews, I very much doubt the population would vote liberal democrat if elections were held tomorrow |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 10:41:14 GMT
You used the word represent, not me.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 10:45:30 GMT
You used the word represent, not me. Yes - I said the Gazans elected Hamas to represent them I never said that situation itself represented anything - never mind democracy |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 11:20:38 GMT
Israeli soldiers killing innocents / Hamas doing it, result is the same.
Needless suffering whilst Hamas leaders in exile live in safety.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 12:04:26 GMT
Israeli soldiers killing innocents / Hamas doing it, result is the same. Needless suffering whilst Hamas leaders in exile live in safety. moral gibberish - like pretending German civilian deaths in the second world war were equivalent to concentration camp executions |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 12:09:26 GMT
We didn't have the tech to avoid bombing German Civilians.
The Israelis have the means to kill every Hamas leader without harming a single innocent.
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 13:17:27 GMT
'The Gazans' refers to the current Gazans. Had you said the then Gazans had elected Hamas you'd have had a point but an irrelevant one. There is perhaps nothing more embarrassing than a mistaken attempt at pedantry. It looks to me like you have problems with very basic English comprehension. My statement was / is completely correct. It was at best deliberately misleading and it looks like an attempt to justify Israel killing civilians, maybe you could clarify. The election was in January 2006. Hamas did not stand. A party called 'Change and Reform List' did although it was known they had strong Hamas alignment even then they didn't get close to a big majority. The electoral mandate from that ran out over a decade ago, over half of the then Gazans did not get to vote and over half of current Gazans were not even born then. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 13:20:39 GMT
We didn't have the tech to avoid bombing German Civilians. The Israelis have the means to kill every Hamas leader without harming a single innocent. In tat case just swap out WW2 for the civilian casualties in any other more recent conflict. Do you I have to do ALL the thinking for you? |
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 13:23:06 GMT
WW2 is irrelevant. The law changed after WW2 precisely to make illegal either the deliberate or reckless disproportionate killing of civilians.
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