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Post by Orac on Jul 12, 2024 14:05:50 GMT
..and so we are back to the word / concept 'proportionate' And there are rules and precedents on such. You seem to be having a great deal of trouble here understanding what i'm saying. I'm saying my opinion on what is proportionate, and the importance of proportionality, in this context differs from yours. I have presented the case for my position, If you want to argue for your absurd and abusive position, please present arguments.of a moral or pragmatic nature.
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Post by Steve on Jul 12, 2024 16:27:36 GMT
So according to you referenced experts are 'an absurd and abusive position'.
Polite request: could you try being sensible?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2024 16:37:23 GMT
Orac never provides any evidence
Never provides any links
Makes all kinds of conspiratorial accusations, blames others and wildly flings insults when cornered, the worst part is he admins this site
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Post by Orac on Jul 13, 2024 8:07:42 GMT
So according to you referenced experts are 'an absurd and abusive position'. Polite request: could you try being sensible? This is not the first time i have hit this cul-de-sac in discussion with you. You seem to have a weak ability to grasp the notion that your opposition disagrees with your entire interpretation. Part of my position is that Hamas is internationally supported by international 'bodies' There is no 'expert' to 'deem' whether Israel's pursuit of Hamas is moral/ or pragmatic. What would they be an expert in? Philosophy? You would have to make your own ethical argument (which you seem unable or unwilling to do)
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Post by Orac on Jul 13, 2024 8:18:49 GMT
Orac never provides any evidence Never provides any links Makes all kinds of conspiratorial accusations, blames others and wildly flings insults when cornered, the worst part is he admins this site I only ever provide links to efficiently relay my opinion. My position is that Israel is attempting to crush an internationally supported criminal cartel embedded in a hostile civilian population - and if they succeed, this would help a lot of people. What evidence do you feel i need?
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 8:23:57 GMT
or in short you repeatedly express niche and offensive beliefs unsupported by any evidence of provenance and seem to think that makes you have the high ground
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Post by Orac on Jul 13, 2024 8:33:09 GMT
or in short you repeatedly express niche and offensive beliefs unsupported by any evidence of provenance and seem to think that makes you have the high ground It's not a niche position, it just radically differs to your somewhat 'passive aggressive' (or just unthinking) support of the criminal operation.
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 8:38:07 GMT
So how come no one seems to support your absurd theory (that there is a conspiracy between organised criminals and many governments including ours to dump 'hordes' of unskilled useless people in the UK for crime purposes) and you can't find real evidence to back it?
Because it's just made up shite perchance?
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Post by Orac on Jul 13, 2024 8:44:36 GMT
So how come no one seems to support your absurd theory (that there is a conspiracy between organised criminals and many governments including ours to dump 'hordes' of unskilled useless people in the UK for crime purposes) and you can't find real evidence to back it? Because it's just made up shite perchance? Sorry, are we talking about Hamas or the Western Governments, who have military and resource dominance, claimed 'inability' to prevent a rubber dinghy invasion ?
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 11:53:48 GMT
You're the one that referred (again) to your ' internationally supported criminal cartel' and 'criminal operation' theory that you've opined over multiple threads
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 12:15:23 GMT
So back to the war crimes point. Multiple reports today of dozens of Gazans being killed in a designated humanitarian area and Israel says is was because they were seekingt to kill 1 Hamas person. 70:1 yes that's wildly disproportionate and illegal and blatant 'Palestinians don't count as human' thinking by the IDF. We should be expelling the Israeli ambassador and calling for international sanctions on Israel. But we won't will we. edition.cnn.com/2024/07/13/middleeast/khan-younis-strike-gaza-intl/index.html
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Post by Orac on Jul 13, 2024 12:22:38 GMT
You're the one that referred (again) to your ' internationally supported criminal cartel' and 'criminal operation' theory that you've opined over multiple threads Unlike yourself, i don't need any kind of permission to think a thought Have you yet reviewed your position regarding Joe Biden's 'stutter'? The media have given you permission to do so btw
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2024 13:00:31 GMT
and now you seek even more thread diversion
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