Ukraine now fighting in Russia.

Take a look at some of the historical sites torn down in my hometown of Stoke Newington - nothing to do with either of those things

The town hall - destroyed loads of old buildings to put it up in the 1930s

Old lion statues removed from entrance to Green Lanes, they had entrances there once upon a time

The big standing house at Abney Park cemetary - torn down purposefully

Road widening on Stoke Newington Church Street meant demolition of the historic Red Lion pub and rebuilding a new one in its stead

There are so many more examples - that's just from my hometown in London

Look slightly further afield to somewhere like Waltham Cross in Herts, up from where I lived in Stoke Newington - one of the Eleanor Crosses was gotten rid of and they put a new one in its stead, IIRC they even removed THAT one to a museum at some point too and now what stands there is nothing like the original

Are you not seeing the difference? Look at how much better they've tried to preserve their historic architecture

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm making an observation

funny how we have radio silence over this? does no one want to discuss it?

I remember vinny assuring me with screams and a frothing rage that Vladimir putin blew up his own pipeline , and vinny personally saw him do it.

 High energy prices , banning by our president of Europeans using Russian gas , labour bringing in austerity mark two and ending winter fuel payments , and refusing to fund Scotlands winter fuel payment which has been partially devolved ( meaning we have a £180 million shortfall ) could lead to an interesting winter ahead. For all the wrong reasons.

 Still , at least the vinny sheep and his ilk can scream incoherently on a daily basis regurgitated propaganda about the Ukraine war , while our champions of international affairs turn a blind eye to the genocide in the Middle East. As our pensioners freeze.

Regarding the Nord Stream sabotage, I don't agree with it but Ukraine are desperate: who knows what will happen if Putin wins? They probably theorised that if they sabotage gas exports to Germany et al that would somehow damage Russia's economy.

A poorly thought through idea for intl diplomacy but I understand why people might think it would help in their desperation.

We know Putin is happy to kidnap orphans and commit horrific war crimes. That's true for Ukraine as well who's politicians idolise Nazi war criminal terrorist Stepan Bandera, and Ukie soldiers executed Russian POWs without trial - also unacceptable.

The war is a cluster of epic proportion, I'm really not a fan of politicians who idolise Nazi war criminal terrorists like Stepan Bandera. At the same time, it's because Russia invaded first that I'm still hoping Ukraine don't lose this war to Russia - even if the way Ukraine's govt and soldiers have acted is indefensible at times

The ongoing genocide in Gaza, the ongoing genocide in Darfur (sponsored by the West), the genocide in many other places ongoing is often downplayed by those who think Zelenskyy is some kind of perfect hero and the West should be allowed to invade Iraq and do whatever the heck it likes around the world.

I dont have any problem with the Ukrainians fighting back against Russia, my point is about idiots parroting propaganda on how the Russians blew up their own pipeline.

Do these people never engage brain?

We all know in wars historically, the idea its good versus evil is fantasy for clowns who parrot propaganda to hallucinate over. We are told to ignore the azov battalion  , or genocide in Gaza , but get annoyed by Russia attacking Ukraine.

 I prefer to do my own thinking. Others as you can see prefer to let the mainstream media do it for them .

So you admit a lot more has gone from England, but I'm also "frankly" talking nonsense

That doesn't seem at all contradictory

Nearly all the examples I've read from England, real examples, indicated things such as road widening schemes, plans to build new bigger places or clearance to make way for something entirely different. But sure, I take your point about pasture for grazing and clearance for that too.

By the way, an argument can be made that 'new developments' in a historical context, not today, could encompass a broad range of things. I never said it's a modern thing after all.

Perhaps it's more accurate to refer specifically to new land for grazing, newly built space AND other amenities for the exploding population and new developments specifically. We all know pasture for grazing often means clearance of forest, potentially buildings and other similar things?

In that case I'm perfectly happy to admit I was inaccurate and amend my post as above ^ it also includes those other things and not just new developments, although that is definitely part of it. There's a good argument to be made they disregarded historic value of what they destroyed to make way for such