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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 13, 2024 15:25:52 GMT
the irony of vinny liking your post when he daily screams about killing the Russian invader is laughable. Many of whom are innocents sent to the battlefield. The wider point about international rules not being respected when the big nations and powers regularly flaunt them is a large part of the problem here. The Russian people are being told the same about the west as we are about them and the Chinese. Putin tells them the same fantasy reasons why he is justified in invading Ukraine , as vinny is told why the British are justified in keeping their Celtic and non Celtic colonies. On top of that , when the west is largely ignoring events in Gaza , or the UK and The USA is violating UN orders to vacate and hand back the chagos islands to the chagossians , they are empowering Putin with their actions to his own people. It was only the other day the Russian foreign ministry had pleaded with the British government to stop batoning innocent British protestors ( race riots) and respect the right of innocent British civilians to assemble and protest . Starmer is being labelled a tinpot dictator outside the non western world , while we do the same with the Russian and Chinese leaders. Its sad , and until the day comes we respect each other , and each others nations , instead of self interest and ignorance , Ukraine , Gaza , Iran , just like ireland and many other places historically and today will keep on happening. Absolutely spot on and the right sentiment, sadly our elites love stirring up trouble and engaging in divide and rule to keep us powerless I would qualify that as "all ruling people" (partly as I refuse to refer to them as elite because they are not) |
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Post by vinny on Aug 14, 2024 5:07:00 GMT
1000 square kilometres of Russia seized from the dictatorship so far. Putin must be livid. He cannot maintain the occupation of Donbas and retake his own territory. And the Ukrainians are now able to entrench inside Russia meaning it will be difficult for his forces to remove them.
His best option is to surrender Donbas and Crimea and end this insane war. But he's to drunk on imperialism to do that.
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Post by Amadan on Aug 14, 2024 7:16:50 GMT
The past cannot be changed, but Cromwell is long dead. Our empire is gone. We are not proud of past wrongs and teach our children not to repeat history. Russia has attacked and massacred hundreds of thousands of civilians in our era. The present can be changed and Putin is alive. His empire is imploding. Russia is hostage to his crimes. Ukraine, Chechnya, Syria and Georgia have been attacked by him. Putin needs to be defeated then Russia can topple him. The events in Northern Ireland , including the killing of innocent civilians by the British and their lackeys , are well within the lifetime of many on this forum. You are still in Northern Ireland , and are still kicking the can of a border poll down the road . We are told though the past cant be changed , ie lets not talk about uncomfortable truths , sit down jock and paddy , and accept your fate. No! Meanwhile , we are supposed to talk about what Russia is doing , get angry and upset about Putin doing the same to Ukraine and Crimea what your country did to places like ireland. To take the moral high ground vinny , you need to be whiter than white , otherwise as I said up the thread , people around the world laugh at you with your mental gymnastics over Northern Ireland and Ukraine. |
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Post by vinny on Aug 14, 2024 7:58:54 GMT
"This post is hidden".
You're on iggy, troll.
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Post by Amadan on Aug 14, 2024 8:11:08 GMT
"This post is hidden". You're on iggy, troll. vinny is replying to my post , to tell me my post is hidden.  Is there a more stupid poster on the interwebb than vinny? dont want to join in my daily virtue signal regarding Ukraine? you are on ignore amadan. first of all the Russian had days left , as they were down to fighting with shovels. Then it was Putin is about to be taken out by his own people , as Russia is ready to revolt. Now its Ukraine has invaded Russia , putin will have no choice but to capitulate. Vinny if we wanted to read the daily propaganda of the Ukraine war, all we need do is pick up a newspaper to read the very drivel you are copying and pasting on here and other forums. Do you have a mind of your own on the subject , or any other ? |
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Post by Zany on Aug 14, 2024 8:43:16 GMT
The past cannot be changed, but Cromwell is long dead. Our empire is gone. We are not proud of past wrongs and teach our children not to repeat history. Russia has attacked and massacred hundreds of thousands of civilians in our era. The present can be changed and Putin is alive. His empire is imploding. Russia is hostage to his crimes. Ukraine, Chechnya, Syria and Georgia have been attacked by him. Putin needs to be defeated then Russia can topple him. The events in Northern Ireland , including the killing of innocent civilians by the British and their lackeys , are well within the lifetime of many on this forum. You are still in Northern Ireland , and are still kicking the can of a border poll down the road . We are told though the past cant be changed , ie lets not talk about uncomfortable truths , sit down jock and paddy , and accept your fate. No! Meanwhile , we are supposed to talk about what Russia is doing , get angry and upset about Putin doing the same to Ukraine and Crimea what your country did to places like ireland. To take the moral high ground vinny , you need to be whiter than white , otherwise as I said up the thread , people around the world laugh at you with your mental gymnastics over Northern Ireland and Ukraine. The bits you are missing in your comparison is the previous independence of Ukraine. The method of attack, (missiles and bombs fired at random civilians) and the fact that more than half of Ukraine do NOT want to join Russia. |
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Post by vinny on Aug 14, 2024 9:26:39 GMT
The invasion of Ukraine is illegal under the Budapest Memorandum: treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdfThe CSTO Treaty "Article 1 The Member States shall confirm the obligation to abstain from use of force or threat by force in the interstate relations. They shall undertake to settle all disagreements among themselves and other states by peaceful means. The Member States shall not enter military alliances or take part in any groups of the states, as well as in the actions against other Member State. In case of creation in Europe and Asia of a collective security system and conclusion for this purpose of treaties for collective security to what the negotiating parties will steadily aspire, the Member States will immediately start consultations with each other for the purpose of making necessary amendments to this Treaty. " en.odkb-csto.org/documents/documents/dogovor_o_kollektivnoy_bezopasnosti/#loadedand Article 2 subsections 3 and 4 of the UN Charter: Article 2 subsection 3 "All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered." Article 2 subsection 4 "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." The invasion of Russia is legal under Article 51 of the UN Charter: "Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security." |
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Post by Steve on Aug 14, 2024 9:31:13 GMT
But here's a complete list of agreements Russia has signed and courts that Putin and his supporters feel bound by:
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Post by Amadan on Aug 14, 2024 18:16:15 GMT
The events in Northern Ireland , including the killing of innocent civilians by the British and their lackeys , are well within the lifetime of many on this forum. You are still in Northern Ireland , and are still kicking the can of a border poll down the road . We are told though the past cant be changed , ie lets not talk about uncomfortable truths , sit down jock and paddy , and accept your fate. No! Meanwhile , we are supposed to talk about what Russia is doing , get angry and upset about Putin doing the same to Ukraine and Crimea what your country did to places like ireland. To take the moral high ground vinny , you need to be whiter than white , otherwise as I said up the thread , people around the world laugh at you with your mental gymnastics over Northern Ireland and Ukraine. The bits you are missing in your comparison is the previous independence of Ukraine. The method of attack, (missiles and bombs fired at random civilians) and the fact that more than half of Ukraine do NOT want to join Russia. wow. Just wow. Is this genuinely a serious post? Are you seriously implying ireland (the whole island) was never an independent country until England conquered it? Ireland , one of the oldest countries in Europe , famous for its literature , its language , its culture and learning as one of Europes oldest nations? really? England. britian has used the latest method of attack down through the ages. So far , I dont believe putin has resorted genocide via starving the Ukrainians like the British did in Ireland . I do recall though the British killing many unarmed innocent civilians , many of whom died within our lifetimes. the majority in ireland didnt want to join England , but it still happened. For comparison , Northern Ireland is similar to the Donbass , in that a majority pro Russian area of Ukraine wanted Russia to intervene on their behalf and protect them . similar to what unionists wanted with England / Britain. so are you arguing if putin partitions the Donbas area of Ukraine ,as part of the Russian federation , similar to what England did with the 6 counties of ireland and the uk , thats acceptable to you? |
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Post by Amadan on Aug 14, 2024 18:29:14 GMT
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 14, 2024 19:00:43 GMT
Cromwells English general monks sack and destruction of the Scottish town of Dundee would today be regarded as a war crime. Today , regarding ireland , the right of the northern irish to have their border poll as per the Good Friday agreement is still being ignored in light of sinn veins recent massive election victory , with moves to take things to court , while English vinny shouts invader out of Ukraine. The fucking irony. I think some people should get their own houses in order first...... Indeed, when we discussed the NI border poll on here in threads people kept assuring me it's best they not be polled IIRC, talk about ignoring democracy? But when has Starmer ever embraced it As an aside, you know I'm interested in history all across the world, but I was reading a bit about Dunskey castle as it just struck me visually - there's something about that iconic image of it with the large part missing from the most photo'd angle It's amazing how much more history is preserved in Scotland than in England, so much has been destroyed across large parts of England to make way for new developments with almost 0 regard for the historic value. I guess that sums up the English mentality quite well unfortunately - 0 regard I'm sorry but that's complete crap. As a fan of historic architecture I can assure you there's plenty of it in England and it is preserved with a passion. Within 5 miles from my home there are two castles (one mid and one late medieval), a castle motte (probably the site of an early Norman wooden castle) and several dozen medieval churches plus the ruins of an Abbey (pulled down during the reformation). Just a mile away is a 13th century, half moated, fortified manor house (now a brewery and restaurant).    |
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Post by Zany on Aug 14, 2024 19:52:24 GMT
The bits you are missing in your comparison is the previous independence of Ukraine. The method of attack, (missiles and bombs fired at random civilians) and the fact that more than half of Ukraine do NOT want to join Russia. wow. Just wow. Is this genuinely a serious post? Are you seriously implying ireland (the whole island) was never an independent country until England conquered it? Ireland , one of the oldest countries in Europe , famous for its literature , its language , its culture and learning as one of Europes oldest nations? really? England. britian has used the latest method of attack down through the ages. So far , I dont believe putin has resorted genocide via starving the Ukrainians like the British did in Ireland . I do recall though the British killing many unarmed innocent civilians , many of whom died within our lifetimes. the majority in ireland didnt want to join England , but it still happened. For comparison , Northern Ireland is similar to the Donbass , in that a majority pro Russian area of Ukraine wanted Russia to intervene on their behalf and protect them . similar to what unionists wanted with England / Britain. so are you arguing if putin partitions the Donbas area of Ukraine ,as part of the Russian federation , similar to what England did with the 6 counties of ireland and the uk , thats acceptable to you? How far back in time do you want to go. Do you want to take Russian history back to the Tsar as well for comparison? Try and keep your time lines comparable. To my knowledge there has been no independently monitored vote in the Donbass to see if a majority want to join Russia. Putin could have offered such a vote at any time instead of invading. |
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Post by patman post on Aug 14, 2024 21:58:40 GMT
One of the awful things in this war is the demonisation of completely innocent Russians who want no part in what's going on, nearly all Russians I've ever met are really nice people and they don't even (mostly) approve of what Putin is doing, yet they are being "cancelled" as an entire people and culture because .. their govt believes x Yet, we're told, when you have it in for Chinese people then you must be racist against the Chinese, but for Russians it's a different standard It is basically racist against Russians and I resent it very much given all the wonderful Russian people I know, have known, and have met in my life If a people only know what their told by their government controlled media, and that media only gives them positive news about their leaders and country’s exploits, they have nothing else to base their views on. So these people may be wonderful human beings, but will need to be resisted if they’re goaded into attacking those who their leaders categorise as enemies. However innocent the conscripted Chinese or Russian trooper with a Kalashnikov maybe — it’s their orders that have to be resisted in the most effective way possible… |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2024 23:14:03 GMT
Indeed, when we discussed the NI border poll on here in threads people kept assuring me it's best they not be polled IIRC, talk about ignoring democracy? But when has Starmer ever embraced it As an aside, you know I'm interested in history all across the world, but I was reading a bit about Dunskey castle as it just struck me visually - there's something about that iconic image of it with the large part missing from the most photo'd angle It's amazing how much more history is preserved in Scotland than in England, so much has been destroyed across large parts of England to make way for new developments with almost 0 regard for the historic value. I guess that sums up the English mentality quite well unfortunately - 0 regard I'm sorry but that's complete crap. As a fan of historic architecture I can assure you there's plenty of it in England and it is preserved with a passion. Within 5 miles from my home there are two castles (one mid and one late medieval), a castle motte (probably the site of an early Norman wooden castle) and several dozen medieval churches plus the ruins of an Abbey (pulled down during the reformation). Just a mile away is a 13th century, half moated, fortified manor house (now a brewery and restaurant). No, it's not complete crap, look up how much has been preserved in Scotland compared to England, you did notice I said 'compared' didn't you? Much has been lost whereas their historical sites are much better preserved in Scotland, it's a precedent that dates a long way back. I never said EVERYTHING has been torn down in England - I said that much has been lost comparatively with Scotland where they have much more ancient historical sites, whereas we regularly destroyed ours to make way for new developments So what part of my post is 'complete crap' exactly? Note how you offer only one anecdotal example from nearby as proof for your claim by the way Now compare Edinburgh's historic areas to London's for a more complete comparison, we've destroyed our history a lot more than they have and that's a crying shame |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 15, 2024 5:58:34 GMT
Did Edinburgh have a massive fire in 1666?
Was it bombed relentlessly by the Luftwaffe?
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Is there a more stupid poster on the interwebb than vinny?
