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Post by Zany on Aug 16, 2024 16:50:26 GMT
At times yes a majority polled have been in favour of a new referendum in Scotland And their say isn't proportionate to population, their say is fixed by Westminster who set the rules at Holyrood and regularly VETO things they chose to do for themselves, that's not right, money is "allocated" to them and that's a nonsense, they have no autonomy. You say they chose not to have independence but you also appear to have conceded that the No campaign cheated and overspent, there were even big allegations of fraud along with video evidence of such IIRC So it hinges on the polls. You also forget the Westminster sets the rules for Yorkshire as well. And Cambridgeshire for that matter. Its how a country works. You could argue Scotland is a privileged area being given some autonomy the rest of us don't have.
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Post by Zany on Aug 16, 2024 16:53:44 GMT
But England does not rule over them, its a union. The Scots recently had a vote and the majority said they wanted the union to remain. Had they of said they wanted to leave, they would have left. There is no ruling over by England. Certainly not in the way the Scots Nats would like you to believe. hang on though zany , elsewhere , you were telling me not to bring up ancient history , yet here , you talk about a union , the treaty of which we are supposed to respect which originates in the early 18th century , and a referendum ten years old now. Scotland didnt vote to remain in the uk....it voted in 2014 to remain in the uk that was in the EU just to jog your memory. Further , democracy is a neverendum. If the tories had said to you as a new Labour supporter in 2010 , that it we have won , no more elections what would you do? Treat it with the contempt it deserves and carry on. So why is it you wish to bring up history , from ten years ago now it suits , and imply that result has to stand for the foreseeable future? England does rule over the uk. You have 85% of seats in a de facto English parliament .If this was a true union of equals , scotland ireland and Wales would have been respected and treated as partners , not colonies to do with as you please. If we aren't free to leave , the clearly its not a union , its a British prison. I was talking about how a union works, not how it was created and all that has happened historically in between. As for the rest its down to the polls as I say. If there's support then have another referendum.
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Post by aristaeus on Aug 16, 2024 18:50:34 GMT
At times yes a majority polled have been in favour of a new referendum in Scotland And their say isn't proportionate to population, their say is fixed by Westminster who set the rules at Holyrood and regularly VETO things they chose to do for themselves, that's not right, money is "allocated" to them and that's a nonsense, they have no autonomy. You say they chose not to have independence but you also appear to have conceded that the No campaign cheated and overspent, there were even big allegations of fraud along with video evidence of such IIRC So it hinges on the polls. You also forget the Westminster sets the rules for Yorkshire as well. And Cambridgeshire for that matter. Its how a country works. You could argue Scotland is a privileged area being given some autonomy the rest of us don't have. Scotland is a country, Yorkshire isn't.
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Post by Steve on Aug 16, 2024 19:16:35 GMT
Meanwhile back at the topic. Toughest sentences yet today incl one of 6 years. For what looks a lot like an attempt to murder then IMHO he got off lightly www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ydp4wg9pjo 'Passing sentence, Judge John Thackray KC said the scenes on 3 August were "12 hours of racist, hate-fuelled mob violence".
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Post by Zany on Aug 16, 2024 20:54:08 GMT
So it hinges on the polls. You also forget the Westminster sets the rules for Yorkshire as well. And Cambridgeshire for that matter. Its how a country works. You could argue Scotland is a privileged area being given some autonomy the rest of us don't have. Scotland is a country, Yorkshire isn't. Gosh you're right.
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Post by Steve on Aug 21, 2024 9:14:10 GMT
Interesting development www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05je6yz0q1o'Pakistani authorities have charged a man accused of spreading disinformation thought to have fuelled unrest in the UK with cyber terrorism. Police told the BBC that Farhan Asif was linked to Channel3Now, a website which posted an article in the hours after the Southport attack last month which gave a false name for the attacker and suggested he was an asylum seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year.'
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Post by vinny on Aug 21, 2024 11:11:55 GMT
At times yes a majority polled have been in favour of a new referendum in Scotland And their say isn't proportionate to population, their say is fixed by Westminster who set the rules at Holyrood and regularly VETO things they chose to do for themselves, that's not right, money is "allocated" to them and that's a nonsense, they have no autonomy. You say they chose not to have independence but you also appear to have conceded that the No campaign cheated and overspent, there were even big allegations of fraud along with video evidence of such IIRC So it hinges on the polls. You also forget the Westminster sets the rules for Yorkshire as well. And Cambridgeshire for that matter. Its how a country works. You could argue Scotland is a privileged area being given some autonomy the rest of us don't have. England doesn't have any of the luxuries of devolution but does pay tax towards it. High time we all had the same level of representation for our taxation. Hold a nationwide referendum and abolish devolution.
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Post by Steve on Aug 21, 2024 11:30:56 GMT
. . Hold a nationwide referendum and abolish devolution. And historians of the future will look back and say 'that's when the fight broke out'
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 21, 2024 13:22:30 GMT
Interesting development www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05je6yz0q1o'Pakistani authorities have charged a man accused of spreading disinformation thought to have fuelled unrest in the UK with cyber terrorism. Police told the BBC that Farhan Asif was linked to Channel3Now, a website which posted an article in the hours after the Southport attack last month which gave a false name for the attacker and suggested he was an asylum seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year.' Paid by Russia?
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Post by Steve on Aug 21, 2024 17:22:54 GMT
IMHO not but it's not impossible
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