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Post by Steve on Jul 14, 2024 15:56:03 GMT
You were talking about 'the first place' As your own link shows, the civil war started 3 years before those USA interventions
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 16:08:38 GMT
Fair point. Wiki LinkThanks to their activities, the Ba'athists were cemented in power, albeit unintentionally Ironically, Miles Copeland Jr is the father of Stuart Copeland, drummer of The Police ........
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 18:27:14 GMT
Maybe helping destabilise Syria in the first place was a bad move by the yanks? No evidence again, this is starting to sound like you just make stuff up and hope its vague enough to stick. All the US has done to Syria was place sanctions after Syria provided support for Hexbollah. But that was back in 1979. There has been no contact since.
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 18:35:05 GMT
Damned if you do damned if you don't eh. Or just damned if you're American. In fact they supplied the rebels BEFORE they joined forces with ISIL. After that they stopped. Indeed the Syrian rebels joined with terrorists due to lack of Western intervention. They felt let down after the help Iraqis got fighting Saddam. What the poor souls didn't know was the Wests reluctance to help was because of the criticism they received for their huge efforts in Iraq.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 18:36:47 GMT
Maybe helping destabilise Syria in the first place was a bad move by the yanks? No evidence again, this is starting to sound like you just make stuff up and hope its vague enough to stick. All the US has done to Syria was place sanctions after Syria provided support for Hexbollah. But that was back in 1979. There has been no contact since. No evidence other than the Wiki link I provided in the above post which shows years upon years of coups, illegal activity etc to destabilise Ok, you go with that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 18:38:02 GMT
Damned if you do damned if you don't eh. Or just damned if you're American. In fact they supplied the rebels BEFORE they joined forces with ISIL. After that they stopped. Indeed the Syrian rebels joined with terrorists due to lack of Western intervention. They felt let down after the help Iraqis got fighting Saddam. What the poor souls didn't know was the Wests reluctance to help was because of the criticism they received for their huge efforts in Iraq. I'm married to an American and live here, so what is your point? That I don't agree with some of our president's foreign policy makes me anti-American? Absolutely typical Blairite insanity Maybe the West shouldn't have tried to destroy their country for many years prior to and during that whole sorry episode? Do you agree with arming terrorists yes or no?
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 18:53:45 GMT
No evidence again, this is starting to sound like you just make stuff up and hope its vague enough to stick. All the US has done to Syria was place sanctions after Syria provided support for Hexbollah. But that was back in 1979. There has been no contact since. No evidence other than the Wiki link I provided in the above post which shows years upon years of coups, illegal activity etc to destabilise Ok, you go with that A link which is all POST the civil war breaking out. Nothing to do with the cause of the civil war which has been explained to you several times now. The previous interference you hint at was the US watching Assad to see how he acted and ended in 2006 5 years before the civil war. Face it, the Syrian people and some of his army turned on Assad, it had nothing to do with the Yanks.
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 18:56:54 GMT
Damned if you do damned if you don't eh. Or just damned if you're American. In fact they supplied the rebels BEFORE they joined forces with ISIL. After that they stopped. Indeed the Syrian rebels joined with terrorists due to lack of Western intervention. They felt let down after the help Iraqis got fighting Saddam. What the poor souls didn't know was the Wests reluctance to help was because of the criticism they received for their huge efforts in Iraq. I'm married to an American and live here, so what is your point? That I don't agree with some of our president's foreign policy makes me anti-American? Absolutely typical Blairite insanity Maybe the West shouldn't have tried to destroy their country for many years prior to and during that whole sorry episode? Do you agree with arming terrorists yes or no? It is you who kept referring to "The Yanks" did you mean someone else other than Americans? One persons terrorist is another freedom fighter. Stupid question.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 19:00:05 GMT
Yes - Pakistani drug gangs and related 'trades' Bro, Tommy Robinson is a convicted drug dealer, multi times convicted criminal for fraud and many other things. Bad move to bring that up while bringing him up. Edit: Whoops, for some reason the forum skipped back to old pages .. and I replied to old posts. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 19:01:35 GMT
No evidence other than the Wiki link I provided in the above post which shows years upon years of coups, illegal activity etc to destabilise Ok, you go with that A link which is all POST the civil war breaking out. Nothing to do with the cause of the civil war which has been explained to you several times now. The previous interference you hint at was the US watching Assad to see how he acted and ended in 2006 5 years before the civil war. Face it, the Syrian people and some of his army turned on Assad, it had nothing to do with the Yanks. You didn't read the wiki link did you? All pre the civil war, it mentions everything going from 1945 You just proved you don't read links. Understandable if you have one eye on the buildup to England V Spain so I forgive you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 19:03:12 GMT
I'm married to an American and live here, so what is your point? That I don't agree with some of our president's foreign policy makes me anti-American? Absolutely typical Blairite insanity Maybe the West shouldn't have tried to destroy their country for many years prior to and during that whole sorry episode? Do you agree with arming terrorists yes or no? It is you who kept referring to "The Yanks" did you mean someone else other than Americans? One persons terrorist is another freedom fighter. Stupid question. True, the West as a whole and not just the Yanks. My bad for not being more specific. The UK has engaged in so much international criminality going all the way back too, so you make a good point - unfair to single out just America, when it's the entire West who engaged in war crimes around the world Fair point. And I never said Russia, China etc don't commit war crimes and meddle in others' affairs either, before you use that line on me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 19:03:59 GMT
The PKK are listed as a terrorist group by the USA and the EU
Do you accept their definition of who is a terrorist or not?
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Post by vinny on Jul 14, 2024 20:40:42 GMT
Yes - Pakistani drug gangs and related 'trades' Bro, Tommy Robinson is a convicted drug dealer, multi times convicted criminal for fraud and many other things. Bad move to bring that up while bringing him up. Edit: Whoops, for some reason the forum skipped back to old pages .. and I replied to old posts. My bad. He has a fantastic singing voice.
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Post by Zany on Jul 14, 2024 21:19:23 GMT
A link which is all POST the civil war breaking out. Nothing to do with the cause of the civil war which has been explained to you several times now. The previous interference you hint at was the US watching Assad to see how he acted and ended in 2006 5 years before the civil war. Face it, the Syrian people and some of his army turned on Assad, it had nothing to do with the Yanks. You didn't read the wiki link did you? All pre the civil war, it mentions everything going from 1945 You just proved you don't read links. Understandable if you have one eye on the buildup to England V Spain so I forgive you As I said which all ended in 2006.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 0:36:31 GMT
Um, no it didn't end in 2006, where does it say that in the article.
"In 2011, a civil war broke out in Syria. Leaked diplomatic cables reported that the US government had been covertly funding Syrian opposition groups since 2006, mainly the London-based Movement for Justice and Development in Syria and an associated satellite TV channel Barada TV.[42] Special Activities Division teams were said to have been deployed to Syria during the uprising to ascertain rebel groups, leadership and potential supply routes.[43][44]"
You do realise 'since' means beginning from 2006? All the covert activities go from 1940s until the present day
I wish you'd read links properly instead of haphazardly, as you admitted you do previously on here
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