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Post by Zany on Sept 19, 2024 20:03:43 GMT
But the terms were acceptable There were no 'terms' Unconditional surrender has no terms. In diplomatic terms, one of the antagonists no longer exists And yet we spent millions rebuilding Germany |
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Post by Orac on Sept 20, 2024 7:44:50 GMT
There were no 'terms' Unconditional surrender has no terms. In diplomatic terms, one of the antagonists no longer exists And yet we spent millions rebuilding Germany Do you think 'we' would have spent billions rebuilding a Germany that had never surrendered, was still basically pursuing Nazi social aims and maintained territorial claims on other countries? |
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Post by Zany on Sept 20, 2024 20:43:07 GMT
And yet we spent millions rebuilding Germany Do you think 'we' would have spent billions rebuilding a Germany that had never surrendered, was still basically pursuing Nazi social aims and maintained territorial claims on other countries? I think the analogy has reached its departure. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 20, 2024 21:25:02 GMT
Do you think 'we' would have spent billions rebuilding a Germany that had never surrendered, was still basically pursuing Nazi social aims and maintained territorial claims on other countries? I think the analogy has reached its departure. I think it was well chosen and illustrative. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 7, 2024 12:21:15 GMT
And a year on the war continues. And so it should while Hamas are still holding hostages and still firing rockets intending to kill civilians in Israel Utterly evil, Hamas has to be eradicated and its Iranian sponsors prevented from their war by proxy antics. Just this has to be done not at the price of tens and tens of thousands of civilian deaths. |
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Post by Zany on Oct 7, 2024 18:19:18 GMT
And a year on the war continues. And so it should while Hamas are still holding hostages and still firing rockets intending to kill civilians in Israel Utterly evil, Hamas has to be eradicated and its Iranian sponsors prevented from their war by proxy antics. Just this has to be done not at the price of tens and tens of thousands of civilian deaths. And Israel? Killed 40,000 innocent Palestinians? |
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Post by Zany on Oct 7, 2024 18:20:18 GMT
Does anyone know what's the value ratio of Jews to Palestinians
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Post by Steve on Oct 7, 2024 21:57:34 GMT
Does anyone know what's the value ratio of Jews to Palestinians We certainly know Israel has a warped view of it. |
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Post by Zany on Oct 8, 2024 5:20:23 GMT
I can't believe we and America are still condoning Netanyahu's actions. Still sticking to the line that this is a war between Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel.
Now Sir Kier wont even rule out British military assistance when Netanyahu baits Iran into joining in.
And all to keep Netanyahu out of prison.
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Post by equivocal on Oct 8, 2024 8:02:31 GMT
I can't believe we and America are still condoning Netanyahu's actions. Still sticking to the line that this is a war between Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel. Now Sir Kier wont even rule out British military assistance when Netanyahu baits Iran into joining in. And all to keep Netanyahu out of prison. If I were to guess and accept the terror attack was as a result of intentionally lax defence, I would be looking more at the constitutional crisis in Israel just before the attack. I would describe the Israeli government as having plans to move Israel's constitution to a formal 'elective dictatorship' with a unicameral chamber unconstrained by the judiciary.
I think the result of the attack has been to strengthen the Israeli government's hand and, as a result of Israel's expected response, erode support for Israel from its allies in the West. Put another way, the terror attack has unfolded as expected by Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran.
I think it puts the West in an impssible position. If it supports Israel, it is condemned for supporting Israel's disproportionate response, but with Iran as a key driver of both Hamas and Hezbollah it cannot abandon its only real ally in the region because of Iran's support for NATO's adversaries elsewhere.
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Post by Steve on Oct 8, 2024 10:00:36 GMT
I don't believe this was some deliberate own goal.
Nor do I believe that this last year of war crimes by Israel erases the key truths that the hostages have to be released and Israel has a right to act militarily to pursue that and to end the firing of missiles at it.
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Post by Zany on Oct 8, 2024 17:45:02 GMT
I don't believe this was some deliberate own goal. Nor do I believe that this last year of war crimes by Israel erases the key truths that the hostages have to be released and Israel has a right to act militarily to pursue that and to end the firing of missiles at it. Not an own goal, but a right wing deliberate plot to escalate Palestinian hostility and start a war with two aims. 1, To delay (permanently) Netanyahu's trial for fraud etc. 2, To seize more land in the West bank and probably Gaza. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 9, 2024 10:00:45 GMT
Nah, always try cock-up theory before conspiracy theory. Just because the ultra Zionists wanted it does not mean they managed to effect it.
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Post by Zany on Oct 9, 2024 20:42:55 GMT
Nah, always try cock-up theory before conspiracy theory. Just because the ultra Zionists wanted it does not mean they managed to effect it. At the very least they milked an opportunity. 40,000 dead! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 21:41:09 GMT
Netanyhu is trying to protect his own, the Jewish people, from what he sees as an existential threat. I assume the best of him, and of Hamas and Hezbollah as well as Iran. They all want to protect theirs.
IMHO, they see the other as an existential threat
In a way none of them are wrong, and yet of course war is always wrong and so is killing. A ceasefire must prevail
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