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Post by Orac on Sept 2, 2024 7:43:08 GMT
all the time it can be argued that this (whatever you feel it is) amounts to forcing Israel to lose a war of Jewish extermination (which is what Hams is conducting), this isn't remotely realistic or even moral. BS. No one has ever suggested the world end Israel. Just that they stop nicking other peoples land. Even Israelis want it stopped. I think it would be easier to make some technical legal case stick if you weren't sticking Jews on bonfires and firing missiles into Israel. For neatness sake, you should choose one route or other - you can't have it both ways. I'm not sure what you a referring to here so i'm going to keep my replay vague - certainly if Israel is invaded and destroyed, it's unlikely they could take the matter to any court and get it corrected |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 17:33:30 GMT
There's a general strike in Israel to this end, they've had enough of him and want him gone. A lot of the world are sick of it too.
It's time to start sanctioning Israel if the government doesn't comply and stop breaking international law, if it's good enough for Russia it's good enough for Israel under Netanyahu. Under other prime ministers I would never advocate this, but Netanyahu in 2024 is a special exception to that rule
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 18:38:13 GMT
BS. No one has ever suggested the world end Israel. Just that they stop nicking other peoples land. Even Israelis want it stopped. I think it would be easier to make some technical legal case stick if you weren't sticking Jews on bonfires and firing missiles into Israel. For neatness sake, you should choose one route or other - you can't have it both ways. I think they tried for years and years before this. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 2, 2024 19:46:37 GMT
I think it would be easier to make some technical legal case stick if you weren't sticking Jews on bonfires and firing missiles into Israel. For neatness sake, you should choose one route or other - you can't have it both ways. I think they tried for years and years before this. No they didn't Intifada, missiles, tunnels and Jew burninga To get the benefits of law you need to be a reasonable individual - i not take the advantage of being lawless.. This crowd of cretins can't manage it for ten minutes If you choose a fistfight, you are giving the other guy permission to punch you. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 20:28:31 GMT
I think they tried for years and years before this. No they didn't Intifada, missiles, tunnels and Jew burninga To get the benefits of law you need to be a reasonable individual - i not take the advantage of being lawless.. This crowd of cretins can't manage it for ten minutes If you choose a fistfight, you are giving the other guy permission to punch you. Yep if someone steals your car, you should reason with him. When he smacks you in the face and takes your phone you should talk to him as he takes your wallet. The Ukrainians should chat to Putin. And the Jews consulted with Hitler. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 2, 2024 21:03:26 GMT
No they didn't Intifada, missiles, tunnels and Jew burninga To get the benefits of law you need to be a reasonable individual - i not take the advantage of being lawless.. This crowd of cretins can't manage it for ten minutes If you choose a fistfight, you are giving the other guy permission to punch you. Yep if someone steals your car, you should reason with him. When he smacks you in the face and takes your phone you should talk to him as he takes your wallet. The Ukrainians should chat to Putin. And the Jews consulted with Hitler. By giving yourself permission to fight, you choose it to be settled in a fight
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 21:05:32 GMT
Yep if someone steals your car, you should reason with him. When he smacks you in the face and takes your phone you should talk to him as he takes your wallet. The Ukrainians should chat to Putin. And the Jews consulted with Hitler. By giving yourself permission to fight, you choose it to be settled in a fight
Yep if someone steals your car, you should reason with him. When he smacks you in the face and takes your phone you should talk to him as he takes your wallet. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 21:10:59 GMT
The Russians invaded, should the Ukies just have done nothing and let themselves be invaded?
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 21:13:10 GMT
The Russians invaded, should the Ukies just have done nothing and let themselves be invaded? Yep and the Jews chatted with Hitler. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 2, 2024 22:36:33 GMT
By giving yourself permission to fight, you choose it to be settled in a fight
Yep if someone steals your car, you should reason with him. When he smacks you in the face and takes your phone you should talk to him as he takes your wallet. that's not what happened |
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Post by Zany on Sept 3, 2024 6:29:52 GMT
Yep if someone steals your car, you should reason with him. When he smacks you in the face and takes your phone you should talk to him as he takes your wallet. that's not what happened  |
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Post by Orac on Sept 8, 2024 8:11:34 GMT
The usual guff here I see
I will just follow the robotic form of these conversations and point out the patently obvious. The 1947 map was offered to 'the Palestinians' and it was refused by them. Considering there have been several lost wars since them, it's 'surprising' there is any green left at all.
Back to my original point - if events had been allowed to follow a natural path, there either wouldn't be any green or there would be a stable arrangement.
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Post by Zany on Sept 8, 2024 13:24:18 GMT
The usual guff here I see I will just follow the robotic form of these conversations and point out the patently obvious. The 1947 map was offered to 'the Palestinians' and it was refused by them. Considering there have been several lost wars since them, it's 'surprising' there is any green left at all. Back to my original point - if events had been allowed to follow a natural path, there either wouldn't be any green or there would be a stable arrangement. So ignore the 1945 map and look at more recent times.. Then tell me which land grabs were considered legal by the rest of the world, Answering you original point again, if things were left to follow a natural path Israel would ne Arabic now. Its only Americas support and arms that stopped that happening. In return they expect Israel to behave like a civilised country, Would you like America and the West to allow natural paths to be followed? |
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Post by Steve on Sept 8, 2024 13:44:25 GMT
The line to draw is the 1948 ceasefire lines which form the basis of the 1949 UN recognition of the state of Israel to those borders.
Gaza, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, The Golan Heights and Sinai are all excluded. Israel has no right to them other than to argue it is technically still at war until all the relevant 'Arab States' declare they are no longer at war with Israel. Syria and the Lebanon refuse to do so. But Israel still has no legal right to occupy them for its own people unless the legitimate occupants agree. There was a deal along those lines but Netanyahu's party refuses to recognise it.
In short Netanyahu and those he holds hands with are operating illegally.
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Post by Orac on Sept 8, 2024 13:52:10 GMT
The usual guff here I see I will just follow the robotic form of these conversations and point out the patently obvious. The 1947 map was offered to 'the Palestinians' and it was refused by them. Considering there have been several lost wars since them, it's 'surprising' there is any green left at all. Back to my original point - if events had been allowed to follow a natural path, there either wouldn't be any green or there would be a stable arrangement. So ignore the 1945 map and look at more recent times.. Then tell me which land grabs were considered legal by the rest of the world, Answering you original point again, if things were left to follow a natural path Israel would ne Arabic now. Its only Americas support and arms that stopped that happening. In return they expect Israel to behave like a civilised country, Would you like America and the West to allow natural paths to be followed? No - the natural path is for a war to continue until one of the antagonists is rendered unable, or stably reluctant, to pursue their aims. The natural path would mean, the 'Palestinians' wouldn't get to declare war, and then lose five times in a row, and still be able to declare war again |
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