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Post by vinny on Nov 24, 2024 9:00:50 GMT
Saddam Hussein argued that Kuwait were cross drilling under the border and stealing Iraqi oil. Not many people realise that.
If true, then the Kuwaitis were in the wrong as well, not as wrong as Hussein, but it explains why the oil fields were torched.
I digress.
Netanyahu is a killer. He needs to be prosecuted.
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Post by Zany on Nov 24, 2024 10:51:03 GMT
Saddam Hussein argued that Kuwait were cross drilling under the border and stealing Iraqi oil. Not many people realise that. If true, then the Kuwaitis were in the wrong as well, not as wrong as Hussein, but it explains why the oil fields were torched. I digress. Netanyahu is a killer. He needs to be prosecuted. Yes I did know that. As you say it didn't justify or even explain the attempt to seize the whole country. His justification for this was: Saddam Hussein justified Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990 by claiming that Kuwait was a historical part of Iraq and had only become independent due to British interference Very similar to Israel's representatives claim above.
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Post by Steve on Nov 24, 2024 14:18:34 GMT
Israel has bombed civilians. Unfortunately, where command bunkers, ammunition, and fuel for military purposes, are deliberately located in or under, residential structures, civilians may become casualties. This is why Israel issues warnings to evacuate, before attacking. No other country in the world gives warning they are about to attack! BS loads of countries have given warnings. It's against international law to cause disproportional civilian casualties and that's exactly what Israel does and has been doing for decades. It operates on the principle that if a terrost MIGHT be in a building then it can use any force it likes to attack that building just in case it kills him and if any Arabs get killed well so what - they don't count. Perhaps you forgot that just 6 days after October 7th Israel was bragging about its forces having 'no restraints' and having dropped 6,000 bombs most of which were the wide area lethal Mk84 1 ton bombs and were later found to have been unguided. link Israel may rarely deliberately kill civilians (but it does sometimes) but it frequently kills them in droves because it plain does not care if innocent Arabs are killed. You hold hands with such evil if you like, it won't wash off. Israel may not
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Post by Robert on Nov 24, 2024 19:36:44 GMT
Israel has no claims on Lebanon. There are there to defend Israel against a part of the Iranian army called Hezbollah which illegally-occupies southern Lebanon against the wishes of the Lebanese government and people. Hezbollah have been targeting northern Israel with rockets and were planning a Hamas style massacre against northern Israel. The Lebanese army is not being targeted by Israel. Israel also has no claims on Jordan, with which Israel has a peace treaty. www.timesofisrael.com/fringe-far-right-conference-to-advocate-occupation-and-settlement-of-south-lebanon/Contributor "borg0" linked to an article called "Fringe far-right conference to advocate occupation and settlement of south Lebanon": Its a minority view. The clue is in the word "Fringe"!
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Post by Robert on Nov 24, 2024 19:45:30 GMT
Unfortunately, where command bunkers, ammunition, and fuel for military purposes, are deliberately located in or under, residential structures, civilians may become casualties. This is why Israel issues warnings to evacuate, before attacking. No other country in the world gives warning they are about to attack! BS loads of countries have given warnings. It's against international law to cause disproportional civilian casualties and that's exactly what Israel does and has been doing for decades. It operates on the principle that if a terrost MIGHT be in a building then it can use any force it likes to attack that building just in case it kills him and if any Arabs get killed well so what - they don't count. Perhaps you forgot that just 6 days after October 7th Israel was bragging about its forces having 'no restraints' and having dropped 6,000 bombs most of which were the wide area lethal Mk84 1 ton bombs and were later found to have been unguided. link Israel may rarely deliberately kill civilians (but it does sometimes) but it frequently kills them in droves because it plain does not care if innocent Arabs are killed. You hold hands with such evil if you like, it won't wash off. Israel may not Contributor "Steve" wrote: "It's against international law to cause disproportional civilian casualties and that's exactly what Israel does and has been doing for decades.": In international politics, and in the international media, the term "disproportionate" is applied to most / any really, military action by Israel in defence of Israel. Contributor "Steve" also wrote: "[Israel] operates on the principle that if a terrost MIGHT be in a building [...]": For this alleged Israeli policy, the contributor provides in support: No detail, no objective-sources; zero evidence.
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2024 0:38:04 GMT
It's so sad you don't understand what a link is so you didn't click it and see loads of evidence.
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Post by borg0 on Nov 25, 2024 3:06:26 GMT
Contributor "borg0" linked to an article called "Fringe far-right conference to advocate occupation and settlement of south Lebanon": Its a minority view. The clue is in the word "Fringe"! Yeah the fringe are in charge of the government in Israel
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 6:46:48 GMT
It's so sad you don't understand what a link is so you didn't click it and see loads of evidence. I was remiss in not taking a look at contributor "Steve's" link. That report is about 2,000 bombs allegedly used by Israel in Gaza. Those bombs are necessary. Why? The contributor chooses to ignore the maze of tunnels nicknamed the "Metro", which the Palestinian Arabs specifically Hamas have, and the contributor also chooses to ignore military infrastructure hidden inside, or more typically under, tall buildings. Such structures can only be attacked effectively using 2,000 LB bombs. Those supporting the Hamas terrorists however, would be unhappy for that to happen.
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 6:47:39 GMT
Contributor "borg0" linked to an article called "Fringe far-right conference to advocate occupation and settlement of south Lebanon": Its a minority view. The clue is in the word "Fringe"! Yeah the fringe are in charge of the government in Israel Such "Fringe" meetings tend to take place by those who are not in power. The Israeli government are no "Fringe" but were democratically elected. Neither are Israeli politicians "far right" / "hard right" for simply wanting to defend Israel.
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Post by dappy on Nov 25, 2024 9:15:32 GMT
The advent of Robert to our community has been an interesting diversion. I had been vaguely aware of the existence state paid actors tasked with influencing forums. Obviously can't be sure whether Robert is or is not one of those. The fact he posts on purely one subject - defending the actions of Israel - and is unable to deviate in any way from the official line suggests perhaps he is in which case its quite an honour for our little forum to be noticed. I suppose it doesn't really matter either way.
I can't say I have found Robert's defence of Israel actions at all convincing. The situation in that part of the world is of course complex and Israel is surrounded by hostile states, perhaps not surprising given the circumstances of its creation. Security is probably a more real issue for Israel than us in the relative security of the west can understand. I have visited Israel and found it to be a surprisingly beautiful country with fascinating history even to one who is not religious. For me the actions of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank over many years have been not only disgraceful from a humanitarian government but hopelessly counter productive for their own interests. The hatred the indiscriminate killing of Gazan children and in Beirut and the tolerance of settler abuse of local palestinians inevitably creates loathing amongst the survivors that perpetuates the conflict. The appalling attack on October 7th roots come from a context of past abuses. The disgraceful response simply breeds more hatred and makes the next October 7th an inevitability although perhaps not on the same scale.
The behaviour of the Israeli government and indeed the Buddhist Myanmar government towards the Rohingya shows that this is not ultimately a matter of religion, it is a failing of humanity. Israel is protected by the USA due to the power of the Jewish lobby there. It has created an excessively powerful human tribe and where you get excessively powerful human tribes, they tend to resort to shameless bullying of the less powerful. The Jewish people are just human beings. Jews were dreadfully oppressed across much of Europe for generations leading to the dreadful events in Germany in the 1930s/40s. You would like to think that those experiences would influence that grouping behaviour in the future. But I am afraid that is not the case. The creation of the Jewish state and its support from the "world policeman" USA has created a situation where jews in Israel are all powerful and they oppress and bully and kill other tribes less strong than themselves. We are all human and humans are a pretty horrible species.
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Post by vinny on Nov 25, 2024 9:49:15 GMT
Yeah the fringe are in charge of the government in Israel Such "Fringe" meetings tend to take place by those who are not in power. The Israeli government are no "Fringe" but were democratically elected. Neither are Israeli politicians "far right" / "hard right" for simply wanting to defend Israel. Less than 25 percent of the voters voted for Netanyahu, more than 75% of them are against him. Fuck Netanyahu.
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2024 10:24:55 GMT
It's so sad you don't understand what a link is so you didn't click it and see loads of evidence. I was remiss in not taking a look at contributor "Steve's" link. That report is about 2,000 bombs allegedly used by Israel in Gaza. Those bombs are necessary. Why? The contributor chooses to ignore the maze of tunnels nicknamed the "Metro", which the Palestinian Arabs specifically Hamas have, and the contributor also chooses to ignore military infrastructure hidden inside, or more typically under, tall buildings. Such structures can only be attacked effectively using 2,000 LB bombs. Those supporting the Hamas terrorists however, would be unhappy for that to happen. No Robert it isn't about 2,000 bombs. It is about 6,000 bombs of the Mk84 1 tonne class being used - as bragged about by Israel in just 6 days. Mk 84s have a wide killing range. If you're not blown apart or shredded by shrapnel then the pressure wave destroys the lungs. And yet Israel chose to launch these unguided at locations where they knew civilians were and just thought there might be Hamas fighters. And then they continued for over a year with the same disregard for civilians life. No one doubts that Hamas are the most evil actors in the region but your chums the IDF are coming a close second.
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 18:53:18 GMT
Such "Fringe" meetings tend to take place by those who are not in power. The Israeli government are no "Fringe" but were democratically elected. Neither are Israeli politicians "far right" / "hard right" for simply wanting to defend Israel. Less than 25 percent of the voters voted for Netanyahu, more than 75% of them are against him. Fuck Netanyahu. A fairer assessment would be to count the votes cast for all coalition party members making up the Israeli government.
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Post by Robert on Nov 25, 2024 18:56:23 GMT
I was remiss in not taking a look at contributor "Steve's" link. That report is about 2,000 bombs allegedly used by Israel in Gaza. Those bombs are necessary. Why? The contributor chooses to ignore the maze of tunnels nicknamed the "Metro", which the Palestinian Arabs specifically Hamas have, and the contributor also chooses to ignore military infrastructure hidden inside, or more typically under, tall buildings. Such structures can only be attacked effectively using 2,000 LB bombs. Those supporting the Hamas terrorists however, would be unhappy for that to happen. No Robert it isn't about 2,000 bombs. It is about 6,000 bombs of the Mk84 1 tonne class being used - as bragged about by Israel in just 6 days. Mk 84s have a wide killing range. If you're not blown apart or shredded by shrapnel then the pressure wave destroys the lungs. And yet Israel chose to launch these unguided at locations where they knew civilians were and just thought there might be Hamas fighters. And then they continued for over a year with the same disregard for civilians life. No one doubts that Hamas are the most evil actors in the region but your chums the IDF are coming a close second. Unfortunately, those command bunkers and "Metro" terrorist tunnels require demolition. It is better not to: work hard to start a war by massacring Israelis as the Palestinian Arabs did on October 7th, 2023; and then complain about the consequences thereafter.
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Post by Zany on Nov 25, 2024 19:36:31 GMT
Contributor Borg0?? Is this Chat GBT we're talking to?
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