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Post by Orac on Aug 3, 2024 9:26:06 GMT
Back to original discussion. There does seem to be a bit of a situation developing. Perhaps the end game here is Keir Starmer giving the boat people uniforms and rifles so they can shoot the English You read like Tommy Two Names In A Suit trying to foment riots rather than looking for peaceful solutions. But that’s your right. Nothing much from you here - except the usual foaming and whining about the impertinence of an Englishman who didn't turn children into mincemeat, but instead complained about it |
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Post by Orac on Aug 3, 2024 9:31:05 GMT
Back to original discussion. There does seem to be a bit of a situation developing. Perhaps the end game here is Keir Starmer giving the boat people uniforms and rifles so they can shoot the English . . This is a serious situation Orac, it sure doesn't need inane inflammatory crap like that post of yours. I'm just making some joined up policy recommendations for comrade Starmin. If you are going to import a foreign army, you may as well kit it out properly to terrorise the native population. It would make sensible economic sense to use the boatlioads of fraudsters child-traffickers to police any protests |
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 9:36:05 GMT
This is a serious situation Orac, it sure doesn't need inane inflammatory crap like that post of yours. I'm just making some joined up policy recommendations for comrade Starmin. If you are going to import a foreign army, you may as well kit it out properly to terrorise the native population. Actually all you are doing is desperately trying to deflect from the awkward fact that so many of those freal thugs that read those junk sites you love to quote are vicious criminals that have caused massive criminal damage, injured police they tried to kill or main and wanted to raze a mosque and likely kill those in it. And you've fooled no one. But I bet you'll keep digging. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 3, 2024 9:47:31 GMT
I'm just making some joined up policy recommendations for comrade Starmin. If you are going to import a foreign army, you may as well kit it out properly to terrorise the native population. Actually all you are doing is desperately trying to deflect from the awkward fact that so many of those freal thugs that read those junk sites you love to quote are vicious criminals that have caused massive criminal damage, injured police they tried to kill or main and wanted to raze a mosque and likely kill those in Why would i deflect from any of this? This is all covered ethically by your and Starmer's passive endorsement of criminality and violence during the 18 month BLM spasm of arson, looting, vandalism and assault. My own view is that protests shouldn't be violent full stop., but i think that's a minority view among contributors in this thread.. Allowing for one set of protests to use violence and remain legitimate, while cracking down hard on their opposition, just means you want to use state endorsed thuggery to enforce your view and will |
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 9:55:43 GMT
Do desist from making these grossly false and malicious personal allegations about other posters Orac. We all know you only do it to deflect from your shameful posts.
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Post by aristaeus on Aug 3, 2024 10:01:38 GMT
Actually all you are doing is desperately trying to deflect from the awkward fact that so many of those freal thugs that read those junk sites you love to quote are vicious criminals that have caused massive criminal damage, injured police they tried to kill or main and wanted to raze a mosque and likely kill those in Why would i deflect from any of this? This is all covered ethically by your and Starmer's passive endorsement of criminality and violence during the 18 month BLM spasm of arson, looting, vandalism and assault. My own view is that protests shouldn't be violent full stop., but i think that's a minority view among contributors in this thread.. Allowing for one set of protests to use violence and remain legitimate, while cracking down hard on their opposition, just means you want to use state endorsed thuggery to enforce your view and will 281 people were arrested during the BLM riots. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 10:06:43 GMT
Orac seems to believe the USA is the UK when recalling BLM events. But it's all an exercise is trying to deflect criticism from those rioters in Southport. Can anyone think of a valid reason why anyone would seek to deflect such criticism?
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Post by Zany on Aug 3, 2024 10:08:56 GMT
You read like Tommy Two Names In A Suit trying to foment riots rather than looking for peaceful solutions. But that’s your right. Nothing much from you here - except the usual foaming and whining about the impertinence of an Englishman who didn't turn children into mincemeat, but instead complained about it Just started to watch this. Stopped halfway through. Its just innuendo and implication. Kier said "young girls" instead of "Children" because children was too close. How does she know this? It might equally be considered he chose "Young girls" to emphasise the vulnerability of women or just because it was 'young girls' Kier mentions families, but not parents brothers and sisters, this is apparently to create distance. She then goes on to state that Sir Kier showing his sympathy for the police, fire service etc shows him not showing sympathy for the parents of the murdered children and what they are going through, apparently oblivious to the extra trauma caused to those parents by thugs from a another town turning up and smashing the town up in their name. Apparently this lady thinks there were no marauding mobs and they have invented the EDL. I assume she doesn't have a tele. Stopped at that point because if that's the basis for the argument then their is nothing but a bunch of racists jumping at shadows. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 10:31:24 GMT
Does Orac have an alibi for the night of those events in Stockport?
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Post by Orac on Aug 3, 2024 11:07:54 GMT
Why would i deflect from any of this? This is all covered ethically by your and Starmer's passive endorsement of criminality and violence during the 18 month BLM spasm of arson, looting, vandalism and assault. My own view is that protests shouldn't be violent full stop., but i think that's a minority view among contributors in this thread.. Allowing for one set of protests to use violence and remain legitimate, while cracking down hard on their opposition, just means you want to use state endorsed thuggery to enforce your view and will 281 people were arrested during the BLM riots. But i'm not talking about the hypocrisy of the police Keir's response was quite sympathetic - despite the violence. For him any violence was a very much a secondary issue. The common view in the media was that violence was 'understandable'  |
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Post by Orac on Aug 3, 2024 11:14:50 GMT
Nothing much from you here - except the usual foaming and whining about the impertinence of an Englishman who didn't turn children into mincemeat, but instead complained about it Just started to watch this. Stopped halfway through. Its just innuendo and implication. Kier said "young girls" instead of "Children" because children was too close. How does she know this? It might equally be considered he chose "Young girls" to emphasise the vulnerability of women or just because it was 'young girls' Kier mentions families, but not parents brothers and sisters, this is apparently to create distance. She then goes on to state that Sir Kier showing his sympathy for the police, fire service etc shows him not showing sympathy for the parents of the murdered children and what they are going through, apparently oblivious to the extra trauma caused to those parents by thugs from a another town turning up and smashing the town up in their name. Apparently this lady thinks there were no marauding mobs and they have invented the EDL. I assume she doesn't have a tele. Stopped at that point because if that's the basis for the argument then their is nothing but a bunch of racists jumping at shadows. I agree with her analysis. As soon as you start talking about children, you are talking about family and lineage. He wanted to avoid this and instead talk about artificial political constructs like 'communities' I'm not the only one who found his behaviour cold blooded,. Of course, this detached tone changed entirely later when he could put English people in the cross-hairs and there was no implicit conflict with his policies. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 3, 2024 11:46:07 GMT
We are in a sort of 'calm of the eye of the storm' situation in which people are able to have a frank chat about the situation. I expect Starmin to close this all down in the near future and make such communication illegal. Perhaps that's when many people will realise just haw bad and out of control government is - ie that they are not even allowed to talk among themselves about their systematic persecution. Perhaps it will lead to a further escalation.
Just speculation.
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 3, 2024 11:52:51 GMT
Actually all you are doing is desperately trying to deflect from the awkward fact that so many of those freal thugs that read those junk sites you love to quote are vicious criminals that have caused massive criminal damage, injured police they tried to kill or main and wanted to raze a mosque and likely kill those in Why would i deflect from any of this? This is all covered ethically by your and Starmer's passive endorsement of criminality and violence during the 18 month BLM spasm of arson, looting, vandalism and assault. My own view is that protests shouldn't be violent full stop., but i think that's a minority view among contributors in this thread.. Allowing for one set of protests to use violence and remain legitimate, while cracking down hard on their opposition, just means you want to use state endorsed thuggery to enforce your view and will Well this is an easy one to resolve. I don't think protests should be violent. You say you think that's a minority view on this thread. I say that unless anyone on this thread says violent protest is acceptable you demonstrate some integrity and apologise. I someone says they do agree with violent protest then to r probably off the hook but then you did say minority so you may need more than one poster |
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Post by patman post on Aug 3, 2024 13:00:17 GMT
You read like Tommy Two Names In A Suit trying to foment riots rather than looking for peaceful solutions. But that’s your right. Nothing much from you here - except the usual foaming and whining about the impertinence of an Englishman who didn't turn children into mincemeat, but instead complained about it Seems strange when Englishmen feel they need to riot and destroy property and injure police in towns and cities around their own country that they say they want back… |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 14:19:36 GMT
No idea why anyone would defend the EDL when Tommy Robinson is a convicted coke dealer, as I pointed out before (IIRC Orac engaged in whataboutery about that, at the time)
The fact Labour are releasing so many prisoners and are adopting a soft on crime approach (which is not to say a hard-right wing tough on crime approach is correct either, because it isn't at all) is going to make people very angry and groups like the EDL and other would-be terrorist groups are going to capitalise on this to incite riots and try to push their agenda on the country
At the same time, what happened is an absolute tragedy and should not be forgotten just because the EDL want to capitalise on it. No one should lose sight of the terrible atrocities committed and use it to troll others, that is lower than a snake's belly
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