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Post by montegriffo on Jul 31, 2024 19:03:31 GMT
This has nothing to do with Muslims or immigration.
This was just a case of a bunch of thugs looking for an excuse to riot.
In the '70s or '80s people like them would have been causing trouble on the terraces.
Identify them, prosecute them and lock them up.
If any of them were found to be in possession of soup then throw away the key.
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Post by Zany on Jul 31, 2024 19:17:42 GMT
Please Orac, you can't seriously be defending these thugs. If they represent Britain then the more immigrants we get the better. It's not me defending them, it's the standards used by the media to judge and defend the BLM protests. You think we should have differing standards for different groups? No idea what you're on about |
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Post by Steve on Jul 31, 2024 20:16:25 GMT
50 police officers were hospitalised, with injuries including broken bones and one being knocked unconscious, as well as a police van being set on fire, by racist thugs disgustingly seeking to weaponise a terrible atrocity. It's no good appealing to me, i didn't set the standard. In fact, I recall raising objections at the time. The BLM protests were accompanied by a large number of deaths, significant amounts of arson, looting and assault. This was all considered perfectly par-for-the-course for a protest. . . Fiction ^ Not one death in the UK in those protests |
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Post by Steve on Jul 31, 2024 20:22:04 GMT
If you throw a brick you are intending to take life so shooting such is legal but remember that was not my preferred course of action which is to proscribe the EDL and send its leaders to a jail cell. Not necessarily. You might be intending merely to injure, to vandalise, or to force a retreat. None of which is acceptable of course. But I doubt that any of them were actually intending to kill anybody, not least because they would not want to face the consequences of such an action. Too cowardly for that, most of them I expect. It might be difficult to prove in a court but if you throw a brick you can very possibly kill and you should know it. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2024 20:27:07 GMT
One thing you might notice if you look is that the official verbal response to the other two riots talked about 'consulting community leaders'; and 'cooling tensions' - quite conciliatory. The response to the Southport protest was quite different. People are noticing People like you, you mean. The big difference here is that the rioting was taking place in the name of absolute bullshit and lies by stupid thickoes stupid enough to believe any old shite that presses their buttons. I don't know why you are so foamingly fixated on this protest in particular. As i pointed, this just one of a few riots that have happened quite recently. I notice you overlooked my invitation to sort them in order of justification 1) resistance to child custody 2) Supporting men who assaulted the police at an airport 3) A protest in response to marauding knife attack on children At least try to justify your perverse and hysterical position |
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Post by Steve on Jul 31, 2024 20:46:20 GMT
People like you, you mean. The big difference here is that the rioting was taking place in the name of absolute bullshit and lies by stupid thickoes stupid enough to believe any old shite that presses their buttons. I don't know why you are so foamingly fixated on this protest in particular. As i pointed, this just one of a few riots that have happened quite recently. I notice you overlooked my invitation to sort them in order of justification 1) resistance to child custody 2) Supporting men who assaulted the police at an airport 3) A protest in response to marauding knife attack on children At least try to justify your perverse and hysterical position It wasn't 'a protest in response to marauding knife attack on children' though was it. It was a malicious attempt to destroy a mosque, quite possibly kill those in it and throw lethal weapons at the police. Maybe you see such things as perfectly OK maybe even worthy of an arts grant but in fact such feral violence needs to be deterred to the maximum extent. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 31, 2024 21:02:21 GMT
So the good news is 4 arrested, hopefully it'll be 40 by this time tomorrow and the local community has gone the extra mile is initiating clear ups and rebuilding and over £300k has been raised to give some help to the bereaved families. www.justgiving.com/page/swifties-for-southport |
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Post by totheleft on Jul 31, 2024 23:46:23 GMT
But that wasn't the problem here. It was racist thickoes believing any old shit because they wanted to. These racist prats are not representative of the broader masses however much you seem to want them to be. I disagree. It was precisely the problem here..Decades of forcing this unwanted nonsense policy on the uk public has caused a deeply fractured society and a lot of resentment. Before we go any further - There have been several riots lately, one of them to defend a man from having his children taken into protective custody, another to defend men who assaulted the police and this one -which was a riot ostensibly in response to children being murdered and injured in a marauding-style knife attack.. Could you sort these three riots in order of how justified you feel they are? What riot are you on about due to the Manchester Airport incident? |
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Post by totheleft on Jul 31, 2024 23:58:03 GMT
The peed up mob have turned up at Downing st now .
Surly that's a act of terrorism
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Post by Steve on Aug 1, 2024 6:49:56 GMT
Sure looks like it
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Post by Orac on Aug 1, 2024 7:00:45 GMT
This guy makes the point quite well, though his metaphors are a little colourful
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Post by Zany on Aug 1, 2024 7:11:56 GMT
This guy makes the point quite well, though his metaphors are a little colourful The poor people of Southport do not deserve anything like the thugs who turned up there and wrecked the place while they are mourning. You can never justify this by comparison no matter how you try. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 1, 2024 7:31:18 GMT
I don't know why you are so foamingly fixated on this protest in particular. As i pointed, this just one of a few riots that have happened quite recently. I notice you overlooked my invitation to sort them in order of justification 1) resistance to child custody 2) Supporting men who assaulted the police at an airport 3) A protest in response to marauding knife attack on children At least try to justify your perverse and hysterical position It wasn't 'a protest in response to marauding knife attack on children' though was it. It was a malicious attempt to destroy a mosque, quite possibly kill those in it and throw lethal weapons at the police. Maybe you see such things as perfectly OK maybe even worthy of an arts grant but in fact such feral violence needs to be deterred to the maximum extent. I often find it interesting how you box and partition issues with semantics to avoid facing reality "It wasn't about the murders, it was about the mosque" Of course, these aren't mutually exclusive possibilities, but you can treat them as if they are to obscure the patently obvious |
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Post by Zany on Aug 1, 2024 7:35:51 GMT
It wasn't 'a protest in response to marauding knife attack on children' though was it. It was a malicious attempt to destroy a mosque, quite possibly kill those in it and throw lethal weapons at the police. Maybe you see such things as perfectly OK maybe even worthy of an arts grant but in fact such feral violence needs to be deterred to the maximum extent. I often find it interesting how you box and partition issues with semantics to avoid facing reality "It wasn't about the murders, it was about the mosque" Of course, these aren't mutually exclusive possibilities, but you can treat them as if they are to obscure of the patently obvious Even if it was about the mosque its not Ok to stage a violent protest 500 yards from where someone has just stabbed and killed 3 children and tried to kill 8 more. If nothing else it speaks of the utter ignorance of the people representing the EDF. Is that the quality of its membership. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 1, 2024 7:37:19 GMT
]The poor people of Southport do not deserve anything like the thugs who turned up there and wrecked the place while they are mourning. You can never justify this by comparison no matter how you try. As if by magic and all of sudden, it becomes all about the community affected by the protest rather than 'the voices of the unheard' |
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