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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2024 18:00:44 GMT
It's no good appealing to me, i didn't set the standard. In fact, I recall raising objections at the time. The BLM protests were accompanied by a large number of deaths, significant amounts of arson, looting and assault. This was all considered perfectly par-for-the-course for a protest. Btw i'm expecting things to get a lot worse, because labour isn't going to stop piling wood on the bonfire. But this particular bonfire was entirely provoked by fake news triggering a load of racists. How can that be Labour's or any other government's fault? That would be a response to my secondary point.. I guess first point got overlooked. Keep telling yourself that - that scraping the bottom of the world's deepest shit-holes and then foisting what you find there on an unwilling uk public, isn't causing a problem. This is exactly what i'm expecting you to do btw
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 18:05:49 GMT
But this particular bonfire was entirely provoked by fake news triggering a load of racists. How can that be Labour's or any other government's fault? That would be a response to my secondary point.. I guess first point got overlooked. Keep telling yourself that - that scraping the bottom of the world's deepest shit-holes and then foisting what you find there on an unwilling uk public, isn't causing a problem. This is exactly what i'm expecting you to do btw But that wasn't the problem here. It was racist thickoes believing any old shit because they wanted to. These racist prats are not representative of the broader masses however much you seem to want them to be.
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Post by Zany on Jul 31, 2024 18:15:02 GMT
So what? This is about EDL thugs deciding they can attack who the fuck they like, try to kill police and just generally terrorise communities. Why should we ever let such sub humanity free on our streets again? An alternative is just arm our police so anyone trying to throw a brick at police or indeed at anyone gets a bullet through their thick head. I think Monte was pointing out it had nothing to do with Muslims. As for the rest of your post, I'm inclined to agree. No one would complain if a Jihadi got a bullet in the head after attacking the police and these disgusting EDL creatures are no better.
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Post by Zany on Jul 31, 2024 18:18:01 GMT
The police will have some clear footage of the 'protesters' and identification should be very easy. What is clear is that all the thugs seen throwing missiles at the police and there was a lot of them, should receive sentences well in excess of 5 years.
Tommy Robinsons' name was being chanted by a number of those in the crowd. What? In excess of Just stop Oil putting paint on a picture
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Post by Zany on Jul 31, 2024 18:19:51 GMT
There was only a few fires, so by modern media standards this protest was 'mostly peaceful' Please Orac, you can't seriously be defending these thugs. If they represent Britain then the more immigrants we get the better.
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2024 18:21:09 GMT
That would be a response to my secondary point.. I guess first point got overlooked. Keep telling yourself that - that scraping the bottom of the world's deepest shit-holes and then foisting what you find there on an unwilling uk public, isn't causing a problem. This is exactly what i'm expecting you to do btw But that wasn't the problem here. It was racist thickoes believing any old shit because they wanted to. These racist prats are not representative of the broader masses however much you seem to want them to be. I disagree. It was precisely the problem here..Decades of forcing this unwanted nonsense policy on the uk public has caused a deeply fractured society and a lot of resentment. Before we go any further - There have been several riots lately, one of them to defend a man from having his children taken into protective custody, another to defend men who assaulted the police and this one -which was a riot ostensibly in response to children being murdered and injured in a marauding-style knife attack.. Could you sort these three riots in order of how justified you feel they are?
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Post by Zany on Jul 31, 2024 18:24:48 GMT
But that wasn't the problem here. It was racist thickoes believing any old shit because they wanted to. These racist prats are not representative of the broader masses however much you seem to want them to be. I disagree. It was precisely the problem here..Decades of forcing this unwanted nonsense policy on the uk public has caused a deeply fractured society and a lot of resentment. Before we go any further - There have been several riots lately, one of them to defend a man from having his children taken into protective custody, another to defend men who assaulted the police and this one -which was a riot ostensibly in response to children being murdered and injured in a marauding-style knife attack.. Could you sort these three riots in order of how justified you feel they are? If that were true there would be support for these thugs, there is none. Everyone thinks they are scum. (Apart from a few of Stormfronts quieter members)
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2024 18:26:45 GMT
There was only a few fires, so by modern media standards this protest was 'mostly peaceful' Please Orac, you can't seriously be defending these thugs. If they represent Britain then the more immigrants we get the better. It's not me defending them, it's the standards used by the media to judge and defend the BLM protests. You think we should have differing standards for different groups?
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2024 18:34:10 GMT
I disagree. It was precisely the problem here..Decades of forcing this unwanted nonsense policy on the uk public has caused a deeply fractured society and a lot of resentment. Before we go any further - There have been several riots lately, one of them to defend a man from having his children taken into protective custody, another to defend men who assaulted the police and this one -which was a riot ostensibly in response to children being murdered and injured in a marauding-style knife attack.. Could you sort these three riots in order of how justified you feel they are? If that were true there would be support for these thugs, there is none. Everyone thinks they are scum. (Apart from a few of Stormfronts quieter members) One thing you might notice if you look is that the official verbal response to the other two riots talked about 'consulting community leaders'; and 'cooling tensions' - quite conciliatory. The response to the Southport protest was quite different. People are noticing
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 31, 2024 18:36:03 GMT
But this particular bonfire was entirely provoked by fake news triggering a load of racists. How can that be Labour's or any other government's fault? That would be a response to my secondary point.. I guess first point got overlooked. Keep telling yourself that - that scraping the bottom of the world's deepest shit-holes and then foisting what you find there on an unwilling uk public, isn't causing a problem. This is exactly what i'm expecting you to do btw The particular ''shithole'' that this knifeman's parents came from is the same place that the last government wasted nearly a billion pounds trying to deport asylum seekers to. The suspect himself came from Cardiff. I've not been to the old site to look but I can guarantee there will be more like you who run cover for this kind of lawlessness with excuses along the lines of ''what do you expect?'' Rather than waste all that money, maybe we can send these EDL thugs to Rwanda.
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2024 18:45:48 GMT
That would be a response to my secondary point.. I guess first point got overlooked. Keep telling yourself that - that scraping the bottom of the world's deepest shit-holes and then foisting what you find there on an unwilling uk public, isn't causing a problem. This is exactly what i'm expecting you to do btw The particular ''shithole'' that this knifeman's parents came from is the same place that the last government wasted nearly a billion pounds trying to deport asylum seekers to. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here - if Rwanda is not a shithole, it makes me wonder why anyone would serious object to the deportation plan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 18:49:59 GMT
But that wasn't the problem here. It was racist thickoes believing any old shit because they wanted to. These racist prats are not representative of the broader masses however much you seem to want them to be. I disagree. It was precisely the problem here..Decades of forcing this unwanted nonsense policy on the uk public has caused a deeply fractured society and a lot of resentment. Before we go any further - There have been several riots lately, one of them to defend a man from having his children taken into protective custody, another to defend men who assaulted the police and this one -which was a riot ostensibly in response to children being murdered and injured in a marauding-style knife attack.. Could you sort these three riots in order of how justified you feel they are? I know you own this site but that does not stop me from wondering if your own malice is blinding you to the actual facts. It was not precisely the problem here. The problem here was lies believed by racist thickoes. Who then used rioting and violence to desecrate the memory of those kids. And incidentally, I don't think any violence or rioting is justified. Nor trying to use it to suit your own dubious agenda as you are clearly doing. What have decades of immigration got to do with one evil act by one person for reasons not yet revealed, who was in fact born and bred here? Or do you have a problem with anyone born here if they are not the same colour as you? You are acting as an apologist for racism and imagine you speak for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 18:55:52 GMT
If that were true there would be support for these thugs, there is none. Everyone thinks they are scum. (Apart from a few of Stormfronts quieter members) One thing you might notice if you look is that the official verbal response to the other two riots talked about 'consulting community leaders'; and 'cooling tensions' - quite conciliatory. The response to the Southport protest was quite different. People are noticing People like you, you mean. The big difference here is that the rioting was taking place in the name of absolute bullshit and lies by stupid thickoes stupid enough to believe any old shite that presses their buttons. It is not community cohesion that is needed in such cases, but a bit of education and a few more functioning brain cells. If rioting on the basis of something that isnt even true is acceptable because it presses your buttons, you need to give your head a wobble.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 31, 2024 18:57:02 GMT
The particular ''shithole'' that this knifeman's parents came from is the same place that the last government wasted nearly a billion pounds trying to deport asylum seekers to. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here - if Rwanda is not a shithole, it makes me wonder why anyone would serious object to the deportation plan Wasn't me implying it was a shithole. However, if it is the sort of place that breeds child stabbing lunatics it's definitely not somewhere we should be sending vulnerable asylum seekers. You are going to have to make up your mind. Is Rwanda a 'shithole' country or not?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 18:59:06 GMT
I disagree. It was precisely the problem here..Decades of forcing this unwanted nonsense policy on the uk public has caused a deeply fractured society and a lot of resentment. Before we go any further - There have been several riots lately, one of them to defend a man from having his children taken into protective custody, another to defend men who assaulted the police and this one -which was a riot ostensibly in response to children being murdered and injured in a marauding-style knife attack.. Could you sort these three riots in order of how justified you feel they are? If that were true there would be support for these thugs, there is none. Everyone thinks they are scum. (Apart from a few of Stormfronts quieter members) Indeed, there is very little public support for these rioting racist thickoes, except from the usual suspects - which unfortunately seems to include Orac - who invariably delude themselves into thinking they are representative of most people simply because most of their mates agree with them.
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