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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 22:09:14 GMT
I need a Turkish barber. They are quick, cheap, they give you a hot towel, deal with your ear hairs and best of all do the whole thing in silence. I'm never going back to English barbers. okay that makes five. Or perhaps we should just give Monte a towel (he doesn't seem to have one) and skip moving tens of thousands of Turks into our towns |
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Post by Orac on Aug 8, 2024 1:11:49 GMT
Perhaps - but their support wasn't small because they pledged to reduce immigration. Like i said, the conservatives pledged to reduce immigration in several elections they won and at least once pledged to reduce it by an order of magnitudeIt looks to me like you have a mental block. Surely, it must show some sort of mass mental block to accept the promises of reduced immigration election after election but continue to vote for those who make the promises. I'm afraid you are arguing with reality rather than me because this is a well known feature of our system.and is easily demonstrated with simple game theory - ie there never is a viable second choice. I think someone else attempted to explain this to you. In my opinion there is little point wasting energy trying explain something to someone who is clearly deliberately failing to understand.something very simple. |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 8, 2024 5:48:20 GMT
I need a Turkish barber. They are quick, cheap, they give you a hot towel, deal with your ear hairs and best of all do the whole thing in silence. I'm never going back to English barbers. okay that makes five. Or perhaps we should just give Monte a towel (he doesn't seem to have one) and skip moving tens of thousands of Turks into our towns Are you going to come around and burn off my ear hairs? |
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Post by Zany on Aug 8, 2024 7:25:08 GMT
I detest barbers, a very nice lady cuts (what's left of) my hair in her unisex salon - for same price the local barbers charge Had some bad ones over the years. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 8, 2024 8:34:15 GMT
Surely, it must show some sort of mass mental block to accept the promises of reduced immigration election after election but continue to vote for those who make the promises. I'm afraid you are arguing with reality rather than me because this is a well known feature of our system.and is easily demonstrated with simple game theory - ie there never is a viable second choice. I think someone else attempted to explain this to you. In my opinion there is little point wasting energy trying explain something to someone who is clearly deliberately failing to understand.something very simple. I ask again: at which election are you saying it was promised by the winning party that immigration would be reduced by an order of magnitude? |
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Post by Hutchyns on Aug 8, 2024 8:42:35 GMT
Net migration down to the tens of thousands was in the 2010 Manifesto if that's any help.
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Post by Steve on Aug 8, 2024 8:53:57 GMT
Net migration down to the tens of thousands was in the 2010 Manifesto if that's any help. Thanks that does help But actually the promise wasn't that, it was to take steps to make it so and more importantly the Conservatives didn't win that election. The electorate did not back them. A coalition won and that promise was not in the coalition agreement. It's just plain wrong to pretend we were betrayed when we the electorate didn't back the manifesto. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 8, 2024 8:58:13 GMT
So seems the anti racist protests had exactly the needed effect. Showed Yaxley-Lennon's sad pawns that very much are an isolated minority of dimwits and being the sad cowards they also are they stopped their recent violent antics www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8497l7dx8t |
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Post by dappy on Aug 8, 2024 8:59:29 GMT
No party that I can recall has honestly laid out the realities of immigration including all its different forms with related benefits and costs of different policy decisions. I suspect it would be electoral suicide to do so. Democracy is the worst form of government (apart from all the others…..)
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Post by Steve on Aug 8, 2024 9:03:56 GMT
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Post by Steve on Aug 8, 2024 9:05:50 GMT
No party that I can recall has honestly laid out the realities of immigration including all its different forms with related benefits and costs of different policy decisions. I suspect it would be electoral suicide to do so. Democracy is the worst form of government (apart from all the others…..) Yep by and large the public wants cake and eat it. Low immigration except when we need doctors, truck drivers, nurses etc etc at salaries they will only come here for if they can bring their families too. |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 8, 2024 9:06:00 GMT
No party that I can recall has honestly laid out the realities of immigration including all its different forms with related benefits and costs of different policy decisions. I suspect it would be electoral suicide to do so. Democracy is the worst form of government (apart from all the others…..) I think you are right. I see one of the problems with that though is that ideologies fill the vacuum |
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Post by Steve on Aug 8, 2024 9:08:19 GMT
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Post by equivocal on Aug 8, 2024 9:42:09 GMT
I like these more: I guess 30p Lee and Nigel will be spitting corn flakes.
Bloody left wing rags!
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Post by dappy on Aug 8, 2024 9:50:45 GMT
While I enjoy the pushback, I do fear this has all the hallmarks of the Brexit issue again. Mostly middle class people leading the push back using logic and facts but meanwhile under the radar the likes of Farage indoctrinating working class people with a tissue of lies blaming immigrants for all ills working class people face and blaming the middle class elite for lying to them until one day we wake up too late and find the lies are now believed by a majority and we shoot ourselves in the foot again
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