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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 17:44:16 GMT
A recent Lizz truss interview suggests the treasury outsourced budget people have essentially placed a bomb around the whole issue. Reading between the lines, the threat is to dismantle your administration with budget forecasts if you touch it My own view is the whole thing has become an international criminal operation that extends into government Has the stink of refusing to accept her own shortcomings and blaming them on others. People natural tendency to stick their head's up their arse is undoubtedly a large factor in why the problem persists |
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Post by patman post on Aug 7, 2024 17:45:05 GMT
If that’s what’s worrying people, stop inviting them — or is that not possible…? do you think importing low skilled cheap workers is the solution to this problem for a minority of people given the costs are born by everyone? I’m not for importing anyone just because they’re cheap. Is that your excuse for “patriots” attacking foreigners and destroying and looting because of “this problem”…? |
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 17:48:57 GMT
It maybe that care homes are one place we need immigrants, but we shouldn't let that small number disguise the 650,000 we invite every year. The big cost of care homes are partly 24 hour 7 day care, but also the lease price on very large and desirable buildings. Most of which are not owned by the care home themselves. Temporary workers with temporary visas. Lets make an estimate of the numbers Temporary care workers? 50 - 100 thousand seems about right How many Turkish barbers do we need? - about 4? |
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Post by patman post on Aug 7, 2024 18:10:55 GMT
Temporary workers with temporary visas. Lets make an estimate of the numbers Temporary care workers? 50 - 100 thousand seems about right How many Turkish barbers do we need? - about 4? Doesn’t the UK have enough of its own unemployed able to fill care worker posts? As for barbers, like chippies, Chinese and Indian takeaways, kebab outlets, etc, they’ll set up where there’s a demand — strangely that’s often where there’s plenty of “indigenous Brits” as customers… |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 18:20:32 GMT
do you think importing low skilled cheap workers is the solution to this problem for a minority of people given the costs are born by everyone? I’m not for importing anyone just because they’re cheap. Is that your excuse for “patriots” attacking foreigners and destroying and looting because of “this problem”…? firstly I think I may have messed up who I quoted here sorry. Generally I would condemn all forms of violent protest but I thinks that's too broad and simplistic as there may well be instances where there is no alternative. In relation to these riots I condemn them. My objection to immigration is the volume. In fact migration was more like 1.2 million coming in but about half the number left. Your post about concerns at the election just gone was a real surprise. I am amazed that people are relaxed at 650k net migration given how much people complained at 350k when we were in eu |
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 18:46:15 GMT
Lets make an estimate of the numbers Temporary care workers? 50 - 100 thousand seems about right How many Turkish barbers do we need? - about 4? Doesn’t the UK have enough of its own unemployed able to fill care worker posts? As for barbers, like chippies, Chinese and Indian takeaways, kebab outlets, etc, they’ll set up where there’s a demand — strangely that’s often where there’s plenty of “indigenous Brits” as customers… One the first point i would say so. I was responding to someone claiming an urgent necessity that requires us to allow hoards of middle east, African and sub-continental goat herders to make their lives in our towns, Talking of urgent necessity - we have never had much difficulty cutting our hair or grilling meat. btw talking about supply re Turkish barbers is a bit silly when quite obviously those factors are not significantly in play - ie 12 Turkish barbers in a 100 yd stretch of road is not the organic result of any kind of market dynamic - that is, it's a criminal operation not a business |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 18:51:18 GMT
Actually I do agree that it isn't easy. There are reasons why we have such high levels of immigration it is just that no one is willing to have a honest discussion about the pros and cons. It's a bit like the alledged 20bn black hole (alledged in that both parties probably knew full well there was a massive black hole) that both parties kept stum about during the election. They (the elite) just do what they want and then are disengenous about the situation A recent Lizz truss interview suggests the treasury outsourced budget people have essentially placed a bomb around the whole issue. Reading between the lines, the threat is to dismantle your administration with budget forecasts if you touch it My own view is the whole thing has become an international criminal operation that extends into government Do you have a link for this. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 19:09:17 GMT
A recent Lizz truss interview suggests the treasury outsourced budget people have essentially placed a bomb around the whole issue. Reading between the lines, the threat is to dismantle your administration with budget forecasts if you touch it My own view is the whole thing has become an international criminal operation that extends into government Do you have a link for this. You are to be commended on your curiosity |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 19:10:11 GMT
Perhaps - but their support wasn't small because they pledged to reduce immigration. Like i said, the conservatives pledged to reduce immigration in several elections they won and at least once pledged to reduce it by an order of magnitudeIt looks to me like you have a mental block. Surely, it must show some sort of mass mental block to accept the promises of reduced immigration election after election but continue to vote for those who make the promises. On the other hand, it might be that the majority of voters aren’t so concerned with immigration as you believe them to be. A survey of voter concerns prior to the recent election carried this finding: Immigration is the number one issue for Conservative supporters in the latest Ipsos polling, but doesn’t even register in the top five for Labour. This is a bigger partisan divide in salience than we find on any other issue.ukandeu.ac.uk/immigration-what-the-public-think-as-the-election-approaches/Given the trouncing the Tories got, I guess my appraisal is valid… Overall election concerns aside 37% of the public want immigration severely reduced 53% want it reduced. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 19:12:29 GMT
Temporary workers with temporary visas. Lets make an estimate of the numbers Temporary care workers? 50 - 100 thousand seems about right How many Turkish barbers do we need? - about 4? Be Fair Orac, who else is going to launder all the drug money? |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 7, 2024 19:39:36 GMT
I need a Turkish barber.
They are quick, cheap, they give you a hot towel, deal with your ear hairs and best of all do the whole thing in silence.
I'm never going back to English barbers.
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2024 20:01:37 GMT
Do you have a link for this. You are to be commended on your curiosity But Truss is a known nutjob wo couldn't do even basic maths, why should we take anything she says as anything other than inane ramblings. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2024 20:03:17 GMT
For further clarification personally I am not opposed to immigration I am opposed to the level of immigration especially when,has Orac has said we were promised immigration in the thousands. . . A claim Orac was challenged on and wisely I didn't hold my breath waiting for a response |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 20:06:23 GMT
I need a Turkish barber. They are quick, cheap, they give you a hot towel, deal with your ear hairs and best of all do the whole thing in silence. I'm never going back to English barbers. I love my local barbers, all young folk with hopes and fears and a good haircut everytime |
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2024 20:25:53 GMT
I detest barbers, a very nice lady cuts (what's left of) my hair in her unisex salon - for same price the local barbers charge
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