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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2024 15:31:28 GMT
In theory of course the Government could stop all immigration but only if it is prepared to say to a Brit who has fallen in love with a non-Brit “sorry you can’t make a life together here”, say to an overseas student carrying a large cheque “sorry we don’t need your money” and say to skilled workers intending to boost our economy “nope don’t want you either” and say to old people on homes “sorry no one available to wipe your arse today” If we had just love couples the number would be minute. Students don't have to stay here after they complete their education. The other issues could be resolved in other ways, but that would involve higher taxes. What’s your evidence for point one? Students don’t have rights to stay here after I believe 12 months. However why would you drive out highly educated young people How high do you wish taxes to go to apparently solve skill shortages and unskilled labour shortages. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 15:46:44 GMT
For further clarification personally I am not opposed to immigration I am opposed to the level of immigration especially when,has Orac has said we were promised immigration in the thousands. That said I am not convinced by the no one available to wipe your arse today. Are you saying that we constantly have to increase the population of the UK so that old people can have their arse wiped? Well as the existing population ages requiring more arse wiping, we seem to have four choices 1) persuade people already here that arse wiping is a satisfying rewarding job choice 2) bring people in from abroad to do the arse wiping 3) invent an arse wiping machine 4) kill off the old people eliminating demand Which do you advocate? I think the first thing to look at is whether we need 650,000 extra arse wipers each year. Having refigured that number we could look at how we provide the number of arse wipers actually required. 1, Offer better money for arse wiping (While stopping degenerating a rewarding job in care by calling it arse wiping) |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 15:59:36 GMT
For further clarification personally I am not opposed to immigration I am opposed to the level of immigration especially when,has Orac has said we were promised immigration in the thousands. That said I am not convinced by the no one available to wipe your arse today. Are you saying that we constantly have to increase the population of the UK so that old people can have their arse wiped? Well as the existing population ages requiring more arse wiping, we seem to have four choices 1) persuade people already here that arse wiping is a satisfying rewarding job choice 2) bring people in from abroad to do the arse wiping 3) invent an arse wiping machine 4) kill off the old people eliminating demand Which do you advocate? Well as an arse wiping machine will not produce any demands on the already over stretched underfunded infrastructure then I'm definitely in favour of the arse wiping machine. What I am not in favour of is importing more people into the country to wipe arse who in turn will grow old and require their arses wiped requiring more imported arse wipers until there is no room left in the country for people who aren't wiping arses as that is a natural conclusion to the importing arsewipers solution to the arses needing wiping problem. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2024 16:03:20 GMT
Well as the existing population ages requiring more arse wiping, we seem to have four choices 1) persuade people already here that arse wiping is a satisfying rewarding job choice 2) bring people in from abroad to do the arse wiping 3) invent an arse wiping machine 4) kill off the old people eliminating demand Which do you advocate? I think the first thing to look at is whether we need 650,000 extra arse wipers each year. Having refigured that number we could look at how we provide the number of arse wipers actually required. 1, Offer better money for arse wiping (While stopping degenerating a rewarding job in care by calling it arse wiping) No one is suggesting we do need 650000. It’s just one example amongst many. If you want to offer more money for the role, how much extra per hour do you need to pay, what do you think the total cost of that extra pay will be, who should pay for it and how do you replace people in other jobs diverted to this role? |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 16:05:11 GMT
Well as the existing population ages requiring more arse wiping, we seem to have four choices 1) persuade people already here that arse wiping is a satisfying rewarding job choice 2) bring people in from abroad to do the arse wiping 3) invent an arse wiping machine 4) kill off the old people eliminating demand Which do you advocate? I think the first thing to look at is whether we need 650,000 extra arse wipers each year. Having refigured that number we could look at how we provide the number of arse wipers actually required. 1, Offer better money for arse wiping (While stopping degenerating a rewarding job in care by calling it arse wiping) Pay them moreoney was going to be my first point but you got their first. I do wonder whether "arse wiping" is just being used as short hand for care workers for the aging demographic though. My real point is I am not sure that continual population increase is the right solution to the countrys demographic change and I am definitely sure that doing it against the express whishes of those of us already here without being honest enough to discuss the pros and cons of the approach is insulting the people of this country. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 16:05:16 GMT
If we had just love couples the number would be minute. Students don't have to stay here after they complete their education. The other issues could be resolved in other ways, but that would involve higher taxes. What’s your evidence for point one? Students don’t have rights to stay here after I believe 12 months. However why would you drive out highly educated young people How high do you wish taxes to go to apparently solve skill shortages and unskilled labour shortages. Spouses 1, From April 2024, British citizens or people already settled in the UK will need to show they earn £38,700 (€45,233) before their overseas partner can live here with them. 2, assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a75708840f0b6360e4741f5/occ96.pdf (Around 80,000 in 2009) Feel free to investigate further if you think I'm wrong. Students. Can stay in the UK for 2 to 3 years after graduating and if they get employment during that time apply to stay forever. I wouldn't myself, but if the country wants to severely cut immigration then the country should get what it wants. How high taxes would rise is a complicated question taking more than flippant commentary. But the argument would involve filling skill shortages and unskilled labour from British citizens. Or losing those jobs, or using automation. Or paying more and losing some cafe workers. But its more complicated than you would imply, for as a ponzi scheme it does not solve the issue it merely kicks it down the road. The more people living here, the more nurses, dentists, GPs, road repairers, tyre fitters, carpenters, surgeons, teachers, etc you need. Its a never ending cycle. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2024 16:07:03 GMT
Well as the existing population ages requiring more arse wiping, we seem to have four choices 1) persuade people already here that arse wiping is a satisfying rewarding job choice 2) bring people in from abroad to do the arse wiping 3) invent an arse wiping machine 4) kill off the old people eliminating demand Which do you advocate? Well as an arse wiping machine will not produce any demands on the already over stretched underfunded infrastructure then I'm definitely in favour of the arse wiping machine. What I am not in favour of is importing more people into the country to wipe arse who in turn will grow old and require their arses wiped requiring more imported arse wipers until there is no room left in the country for people who aren't wiping arses as that is a natural conclusion to the importing arsewipers solution to the arses needing wiping problem. When you have developed your arse wiping machine and it gives an appropriate level of service to those needing the service, I am happy to remove that from the list of needs from abroad. During the development phase, do you intend to find a way to persuade more people living here already to do the job, leave the arses unwiped or preemptively kill off the prospective dirty arse owners. |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 16:08:58 GMT
I think the first thing to look at is whether we need 650,000 extra arse wipers each year. Having refigured that number we could look at how we provide the number of arse wipers actually required. 1, Offer better money for arse wiping (While stopping degenerating a rewarding job in care by calling it arse wiping) No one is suggesting we do need 650000. It’s just one example amongst many. If you want to offer more money for the role, how much extra per hour do you need to pay, what do you think the total cost of that extra pay will be, who should pay for it and how do you replace people in other jobs diverted to this role? So if no one is suggesting that and your follow up a series if questions about pay how about you tell us what you think is an acceptable level of immigration as that's a lot less challenging than multiple questions about pay |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 16:10:40 GMT
I think the first thing to look at is whether we need 650,000 extra arse wipers each year. Having refigured that number we could look at how we provide the number of arse wipers actually required. 1, Offer better money for arse wiping (While stopping degenerating a rewarding job in care by calling it arse wiping) No one is suggesting we do need 650000. It’s just one example amongst many. If you want to offer more money for the role, how much extra per hour do you need to pay, what do you think the total cost of that extra pay will be, who should pay for it and how do you replace people in other jobs diverted to this role? I have no way of calculating the amount of money required to persuade British citizens to leave their coffee shop jobs and go into caring for the elderly. All I can say is that there will be an amount that does this. I am not pretending there is no downside to considerably reducing immigration, just that it can be done if that's what the public wants. In this scenario we may lose some cafes etc. |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 16:11:54 GMT
Well as an arse wiping machine will not produce any demands on the already over stretched underfunded infrastructure then I'm definitely in favour of the arse wiping machine. What I am not in favour of is importing more people into the country to wipe arse who in turn will grow old and require their arses wiped requiring more imported arse wipers until there is no room left in the country for people who aren't wiping arses as that is a natural conclusion to the importing arsewipers solution to the arses needing wiping problem. When you have developed your arse wiping machine and it gives an appropriate level of service to those needing the service, I am happy to remove that from the list of needs from abroad. During the development phase, do you intend to find a way to persuade more people living here already to do the job, leave the arses unwiped or preemptively kill off the prospective dirty arse owners. During the development phase I would introduce National Service to ensure dirty arses get wiped |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2024 16:13:33 GMT
What’s your evidence for point one? Students don’t have rights to stay here after I believe 12 months. However why would you drive out highly educated young people How high do you wish taxes to go to apparently solve skill shortages and unskilled labour shortages. Spouses 1, From April 2024, British citizens or people already settled in the UK will need to show they earn £38,700 (€45,233) before their overseas partner can live here with them. 2, assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a75708840f0b6360e4741f5/occ96.pdf (Around 80,000 in 2009) Feel free to investigate further if you think I'm wrong. Students. Can stay in the UK for 2 to 3 years after graduating and if they get employment during that time apply to stay forever. I wouldn't myself, but if the country wants to severely cut immigration then the country should get what it wants. How high taxes would rise is a complicated question taking more than flippant commentary. But the argument would involve filling skill shortages and unskilled labour from British citizens. Or losing those jobs, or using automation. Or paying more and losing some cafe workers. But its more complicated than you would imply, for as a ponzi scheme it does not solve the issue it merely kicks it down the road. The more people living here, the more nurses, dentists, GPs, road repairers, tyre fitters, carpenters, surgeons, teachers, etc you need. Its a never ending cycle. I think the £38k has thankfully been scrapped. Not sure I get your point though which seems to be that a vanishingly small number of British people fall in love with foreigners. Fair enough, O should have looked up whether the post graduate work visa was one or two years. I agree it would be daft to cancel this and throw away intelligent young people keen to work. Without understanding the cost, practicality and consequences of enticing existing residents into social care work in sufficient numbers to meet growing demand, it is hard to take that supposed solution overly seriously. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2024 16:16:41 GMT
When you have developed your arse wiping machine and it gives an appropriate level of service to those needing the service, I am happy to remove that from the list of needs from abroad. During the development phase, do you intend to find a way to persuade more people living here already to do the job, leave the arses unwiped or preemptively kill off the prospective dirty arse owners. During the development phase I would introduce National Service to ensure dirty arses get wiped You would propose National Service to force our young adults to work in social care against their will hence delaying their path into higher paid more productive jobs in the economy. Do you not see a few teeny weeny real world problems with such an approach? |
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Post by patman post on Aug 7, 2024 16:18:02 GMT
Yes, they’re small parties for a reason — lack of enough relevant support to be big parties. How many elections were there during the Conservative’s 14 years in power when they promised to reduce immigration, and how often was the EU cited by pro-Leavers as the cause of large scale immigration and leaving the EU as a cure? How did that work out? There is very little (nothing in reality) one democratic country can do alone — which the alcohol and coke addled brains of the rioting manipulated thugs are unable to take on board while on their destroy-and-loot sprees. The mass movement of people (asylum seekers, economic migrants, fleeing criminals, etc) is an international problem and, like the financial crisis of a few years ago, requires international effort to deal with… There is in fact a very great deal a government can do about allowing 600,000+ migrants into the country in a year they can for example not let them in. Agreed. But which don’t the government let in, and how do they stop the asylum seekers arriving — mine the beaches…? |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 16:20:12 GMT
When you have developed your arse wiping machine and it gives an appropriate level of service to those needing the service, I am happy to remove that from the list of needs from abroad. During the development phase, do you intend to find a way to persuade more people living here already to do the job, leave the arses unwiped or preemptively kill off the prospective dirty arse owners. During the development phase I would introduce National Service to ensure dirty arses get wiped I wouldn't. I don't like the idea of our elderly and vulnerable being looked after by people who do not want to be there. |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 7, 2024 16:20:45 GMT
Well as the existing population ages requiring more arse wiping, we seem to have four choices 1) persuade people already here that arse wiping is a satisfying rewarding job choice 2) bring people in from abroad to do the arse wiping 3) invent an arse wiping machine 4) kill off the old people eliminating demand Which do you advocate? I think the first thing to look at is whether we need 650,000 extra arse wipers each year. Having refigured that number we could look at how we provide the number of arse wipers actually required. 1, Offer better money for arse wiping (While stopping degenerating a rewarding job in care by calling it arse wiping) Care home bills not high enough already? |
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