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Post by patman post on Aug 7, 2024 12:20:36 GMT
And when the police have been unable to defend so much property it's a bit harsh to say jail those who seek to protect property from the feral hordes of neanderthals Standing on your own property (and using reasonable means to protect it) might be acceptable. But by travelling — even just across town — to assemble and confront rioters, people are putting themselves in a similar position to those they confront. They are likely to give additional problems to police, who not only have to face rioters, but also keep the groups apart. In the current climate, it’s probably better to stay away from hot spots and leave crowd control to the police… |
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2024 12:22:21 GMT
[brWhere in the article does Farage admit to spreading false information because when I read it I didn't see it. When he said “some reports suggest he was known to the security services” And those false reports were coming from Andrew Tate. Also interesting that Farage is a follower of the Tates known for their promotion of mysogyny, porn and currently on charges of rape. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2024 12:24:21 GMT
And when the police have been unable to defend so much property it's a bit harsh to say jail those who seek to protect property from the feral hordes of neanderthals Standing on your own property (and using reasonable means to protect it) might be acceptable. But by travelling — even just across town — to assemble and confront rioters, people are putting themselves in a similar position to those they confront. They are likely to give additional problems to police, who not only have to face rioters, but also keep the groups apart. In the current climate, it’s probably better to stay away from hot spots and leave crowd control to the police… probably better but as I say we know the police alone are unable to defend properties so it's not an illegal motivation and I'd say understandable. To bracket them with those that are seeking to destroy property and endanger life is very wrong. |
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Post by patman post on Aug 7, 2024 12:54:26 GMT
If that was an overriding view of the majority of voters then parties like the BNP, Ukip, and Reform would be sweeping the board come election time without needing to make excuses for violence. So far, their big news is when they manage a few seats in Parliament or maybe gain a couple of local councils for a term or two… No. All those are small parties. The conservatives promised to reduce immigration by an order of magnitude and were elected on that platform. They then refused to do it. The political caste / class has connived and lied to force an unwanted policy on the UK public for decades. That's goading Yes, they’re small parties for a reason — lack of enough relevant support to be big parties. How many elections were there during the Conservative’s 14 years in power when they promised to reduce immigration, and how often was the EU cited by pro-Leavers as the cause of large scale immigration and leaving the EU as a cure? How did that work out? There is very little (nothing in reality) one democratic country can do alone — which the alcohol and coke addled brains of the rioting manipulated thugs are unable to take on board while on their destroy-and-loot sprees. The mass movement of people (asylum seekers, economic migrants, fleeing criminals, etc) is an international problem and, like the financial crisis of a few years ago, requires international effort to deal with… |
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2024 13:13:25 GMT
No. All those are small parties. The conservatives promised to reduce immigration by an order of magnitude and were elected on that platform. They then refused to do it. The political caste / class has connived and lied to force an unwanted policy on the UK public for decades. That's goading Yes, they’re small parties for a reason — lack of enough relevant support to be big parties. Perhaps - but their support wasn't small because they pledged to reduce immigration. Like i said, the conservatives pledged to reduce immigration in several elections they won and at least once pledged to reduce it by an order of magnitudeIt looks to me like you have a mental block. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2024 13:29:12 GMT
No. All those are small parties. The conservatives promised to reduce immigration by an order of magnitude and were elected on that platform. They then refused to do it. The political caste / class has connived and lied to force an unwanted policy on the UK public for decades. That's goading Which election was that? |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 13:29:47 GMT
No. All those are small parties. The conservatives promised to reduce immigration by an order of magnitude and were elected on that platform. They then refused to do it. The political caste / class has connived and lied to force an unwanted policy on the UK public for decades. That's goading Yes, they’re small parties for a reason — lack of enough relevant support to be big parties. How many elections were there during the Conservative’s 14 years in power when they promised to reduce immigration, and how often was the EU cited by pro-Leavers as the cause of large scale immigration and leaving the EU as a cure? How did that work out? There is very little (nothing in reality) one democratic country can do alone — which the alcohol and coke addled brains of the rioting manipulated thugs are unable to take on board while on their destroy-and-loot sprees. The mass movement of people (asylum seekers, economic migrants, fleeing criminals, etc) is an international problem and, like the financial crisis of a few years ago, requires international effort to deal with… There is in fact a very great deal a government can do about allowing 600,000+ migrants into the country in a year they can for example not let them in. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2024 13:58:38 GMT
Harder than one might think
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 14:22:12 GMT
Harder than one might think Actually I do agree that it isn't easy. There are reasons why we have such high levels of immigration it is just that no one is willing to have a honest discussion about the pros and cons. It's a bit like the alledged 20bn black hole (alledged in that both parties probably knew full well there was a massive black hole) that both parties kept stum about during the election. They (the elite) just do what they want and then are disengenous about the situation |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2024 14:41:30 GMT
In theory of course the Government could stop all immigration but only if it is prepared to say to a Brit who has fallen in love with a non-Brit “sorry you can’t make a life together here”, say to an overseas student carrying a large cheque “sorry we don’t need your money” and say to skilled workers intending to boost our economy “nope don’t want you either” and say to old people on homes “sorry no one available to wipe your arse today”
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 14:48:53 GMT
In theory of course the Government could stop all immigration but only if it is prepared to say to a Brit who has fallen in love with a non-Brit “sorry you can’t make a life together here”, say to an overseas student carrying a large cheque “sorry we don’t need your money” and say to skilled workers intending to boost our economy “nope don’t want you either” and say to old people on homes “sorry no one available to wipe your arse today” For further clarification personally I am not opposed to immigration I am opposed to the level of immigration especially when,has Orac has said we were promised immigration in the thousands. That said I am not convinced by the no one available to wipe your arse today. Are you saying that we constantly have to increase the population of the UK so that old people can have their arse wiped? |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 15:20:38 GMT
And when the police have been unable to defend so much property it's a bit harsh to say jail those who seek to protect property from the feral hordes of neanderthals [brWhere in the article does Farage admit to spreading false information because when I read it I didn't see it. You are right, but I would still say someone in Farage's position of power has a duty of care. |
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 7, 2024 15:23:34 GMT
[brWhere in the article does Farage admit to spreading false information because when I read it I didn't see it. You are right, but I would still say someone in Farage's position of power has a duty of care. I didn't proceed with the point because I thought on balance Farage was in the wrong |
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 15:26:44 GMT
In theory of course the Government could stop all immigration but only if it is prepared to say to a Brit who has fallen in love with a non-Brit “sorry you can’t make a life together here”, say to an overseas student carrying a large cheque “sorry we don’t need your money” and say to skilled workers intending to boost our economy “nope don’t want you either” and say to old people on homes “sorry no one available to wipe your arse today” If we had just love couples the number would be minute. Students don't have to stay here after they complete their education. The other issues could be resolved in other ways, but that would involve higher taxes. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2024 15:27:41 GMT
In theory of course the Government could stop all immigration but only if it is prepared to say to a Brit who has fallen in love with a non-Brit “sorry you can’t make a life together here”, say to an overseas student carrying a large cheque “sorry we don’t need your money” and say to skilled workers intending to boost our economy “nope don’t want you either” and say to old people on homes “sorry no one available to wipe your arse today” For further clarification personally I am not opposed to immigration I am opposed to the level of immigration especially when,has Orac has said we were promised immigration in the thousands. That said I am not convinced by the no one available to wipe your arse today. Are you saying that we constantly have to increase the population of the UK so that old people can have their arse wiped? Well as the existing population ages requiring more arse wiping, we seem to have four choices 1) persuade people already here that arse wiping is a satisfying rewarding job choice 2) bring people in from abroad to do the arse wiping 3) invent an arse wiping machine 4) kill off the old people eliminating demand Which do you advocate? |
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