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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:13:43 GMT
doesn't matter. Orac isnt forcing you to question your own Brexit referendums legitimacy? |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:15:29 GMT
Not so sure. They hacked into the Clinton campaign's servers which allowed the rival campaign to far more precisely target its campaining both geographically and in content. In an election won by targetting electoral college votes over the popular vote it might well have been the deciding factor Ok, that's a bit more suss then. I see your point. I dont like starmers win at the general election . I call Russian interfering in the fptp system, which gave starmer 64% of seats on 33.7 % of votes. Do you see where sour grapes leads......? |
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Post by vinny on Jul 22, 2024 9:16:25 GMT
I don't hate Russia, I recognise Putin is a dictator, a war criminal and a menace.
Big difference.
Btw, we're out.
Only way to join the EU is Article 49.
It would mean no opt outs, no rebate.
Free movement. CAP, CFP, more industrial decline.
Can't see it happening.
Btw, votes are hand counted in our country.
Ballot counters cannot be hacked.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:16:34 GMT
so what are you telling me now vinny , you think the scot indy ref from 2014 is illegal and must be re run? |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:17:09 GMT
I don't hate Russia, I recognise Putin is a dictator, a war criminal and a menace. Big difference. Btw, we're out. Only way to join the EU is Article 49. It would mean no opt outs, no rebate. Free movement. CAP, CFP, more industrial decline. Can't see it happening. irrelevant waffle. Is the Brexit ref illegitimate or not? |
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Post by vinny on Jul 22, 2024 9:17:35 GMT
Brexit is irrelevant to Trump being shot at.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:19:11 GMT
Brexit is irrelevant to Trump being shot at. you just keep diverting from your silly comments earlier dont you? |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:24:52 GMT
Btw, votes are hand counted in our country. Ballot counters cannot be hacked. so wait? Russia didnt interfere after all are you saying? |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 9:25:42 GMT
Brexit is irrelevant to Trump being shot at. are the Russians to blame for that as well? my isnt Putins arm long. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 22, 2024 10:17:38 GMT
This however is very relevant.
Trump should have gone to prison for this.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 10:31:16 GMT
This however is very relevant. Trump should have gone to prison for this. There's people who want Farage , Johnson , sturgeon , trump , etc etc all to go to prison. Much of it nothing more than they totally disagree with their political ideology. You are one of the worst though. We dont seem to be in a very positive place at the minute with western world democracy . The uk and USA certainly appear to be very unstable. screaming about jailing politicians I dont personally think is helpful or conducive to democracy. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2024 12:02:43 GMT
This however is very relevant. Trump should have gone to prison for this. But you'd have to show he knowingly incited that behaviour. The evidence doesn't back that. He made reckless statements that undoutedly were in part causal but IMHO not enough to convict him. However the rioters seeking insurrection should have been very harshly dealt with. It was treason. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 22, 2024 12:15:13 GMT
"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 12:20:17 GMT
"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." |
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2024 12:37:50 GMT
"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." It's a very ambiguous word. It also means 'struggle to overcome, eliminate, or prevent' |
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