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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 18:20:18 GMT
BTW, Biden just dropped out of the race
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 18:22:22 GMT
Nothing i said was lie,. What you are doing here is engaging a straw-man This is what i put - to this day Hilary Clinton maintains the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russians'
Hillary still doesn't actually concede that the she lost a fair and free election. Hilary's combination of statements amounts to "Rightful victory was stolen from me because the election was rigged by the Russians" Trump was arguably just more honest. I think it's likely he genuinely believed the election was rigged while Hillary was just seeing what would fly. I have a question for you - if you believe an election is rigged, should you concede? No and that she conceded so early shows that she did not indulge in ludicrous behaviours as Trump did making up false stories about rigged votes and stolen elections. Maybe you should actually look at what Hilary said about the Russians instead of posting unreferenced allegations.. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 18:22:49 GMT
BTW, Biden just dropped out of the race Yes, needs a dedicated thread IMHO |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 21, 2024 21:09:43 GMT
Nothing i said was lie,. What you are doing here is engaging a straw-man This is what i put - to this day Hilary Clinton maintains the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russians'
Hillary still doesn't actually concede that the she lost a fair and free election. Hilary's combination of statements amounts to "Rightful victory was stolen from me because the election was rigged by the Russians" Trump was arguably just more honest. I think it's likely he genuinely believed the election was rigged while Hillary was just seeing what would fly. I have a question for you - if you believe an election is rigged, should you concede? No and that she conceded so early shows that she did not indulge in ludicrous behaviours as Trump did making up false stories about rigged votes and stolen elections. Maybe you should actually look at what Hilary said about the Russians instead of posting unreferenced allegations.. Trump refused to follow most of the protocols and traditions when it came to handing over power. None of the usual transition period where the new administration are invited in to the Whitehouse before the inauguration so they hit the ground running. This quite likely led to the problems withdrawing from Afghanistan just days after the hand over of power. Trump didn't even attend the inauguration. Something that hadn't happened in around 150 years IIRC. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 21, 2024 22:42:14 GMT
Nothing i said was lie,. What you are doing here is engaging a straw-man This is what i put - to this day Hilary Clinton maintains the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russians'
Hillary still doesn't actually concede that the she lost a fair and free election. Hilary's combination of statements amounts to "Rightful victory was stolen from me because the election was rigged by the Russians" Trump was arguably just more honest. I think it's likely he genuinely believed the election was rigged while Hillary was just seeing what would fly. I have a question for you - if you believe an election is rigged, should you concede? No and that she conceded so early shows that she did not indulge in ludicrous behaviours as Trump did making up false stories about rigged votes and stolen elections. No. It doesn't show anything of the sort. As i explained, Hilary Clinton maintained for years that the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russia'. This is a matter of well recorded fact It would have saved some effort here if you had read my post and had a think before replying. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 23:11:54 GMT
How come Google can't find such an assertion by Clinton let alone one made by her today as you suppose? Because it just ain't true that's why.
Maybe you are confusing that with her credible assertion made long ago that Trump was helped by material 'stolen by Russia'
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Post by vinny on Jul 21, 2024 23:15:03 GMT
The idea of democracy is to give options - ie choices between people who disagree. Necessarily this means you will disagree with some candidates. I realise this is an uphill struggle for you - something you are trying your best integrate It's a little more than disagreeable when one candidate refuses to accept the result of a free and fair election and tries to disrupt the peaceful transference of power. After Jan 6th he should have been barred from holding public office ever again. Damn right. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 21, 2024 23:15:41 GMT
BTW, Biden just dropped out of the race Next US President is Harris then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 23:42:55 GMT
How come Google can't find such an assertion by Clinton let alone one made by her today as you suppose? Because it just ain't true that's why. Maybe you are confusing that with her credible assertion made long ago that Trump was helped by material 'stolen by Russia' Sorry but no, he's right about Clinton As for asking for links, I noticed you said posts in the other thread about Starmer were "debunked" without offering any links/proof yourself, double standard? |
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2024 0:41:07 GMT
How come Google can't find such an assertion by Clinton let alone one made by her today as you suppose? Because it just ain't true that's why. Maybe you are confusing that with her credible assertion made long ago that Trump was helped by material 'stolen by Russia' Sorry but no, he's right about Clinton As for asking for links, I noticed you said posts in the other thread about Starmer were "debunked" without offering any links/proof yourself, double standard? Oh look personal attack, how pathetic. And I've already shredded your assertion in that thread. Orac got it wrong, deal with it. Clinton has not to this day said Russia stole the election as orac blurted. In fact i can't find one example of Clinton saying that. See if you can. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 1:21:54 GMT
Very easy isn't it? Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.WaPoDo you want the CBS interview itself before you keep digging your hole? You also shredded nothing except your own argument on the Starmer thread. You were just shown Starmer approved of the earlier decision NOT to prosecute the officers behind Menezes' murder after 2006 - and the pattern continues with Ian Tomlinson also, ie that's how he is. You can't dispute that, so will try to get threads closed Also best not to make it personal as regards papa etc as you did the other day |
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Post by Orac on Jul 22, 2024 8:17:21 GMT
Sorry but no, he's right about Clinton As for asking for links, I noticed you said posts in the other thread about Starmer were "debunked" without offering any links/proof yourself, double standard? Orac got it wrong, deal with it. I didn't get it wrong. Nothing i said was incorrect or a lie. H. Clinton maintained for years that the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russia'. Have you been living under a rock? ...or is this another example the same kind of bizarre cognitive skip that allowed you not to notice for years that Biden had a serious impediment? |
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Post by vinny on Jul 22, 2024 8:29:58 GMT
Prigozhin's Internet Research Agency ran a very intense pro Trump campaign on social media including twitter.
And, before he was murdered, he boasted about his role in interfering in the 2016 and 2012 US elections.
Why did Prigozhin interfere in 2012? Mitt Romney was warning about Russia at that time.
Obama laughed at him.
Turns out Romney was right.
Doesn't justify the attempted assassination of a Putin Quisling, but it does highlight a problem.
Russia has interfered in American politics, in British politics and so forth on social media.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 22, 2024 8:33:46 GMT
Prigozhin's Internet Research Agency ran a very intense pro Trump campaign on social media including twitter. And, before he was murdered, he boasted about his role in interfering in the 2016 and 2012 US elections. Why did Prigozhin interfere in 2012? Mitt Romney was warning about Russia at that time. Obama laughed at him. Turns out Romney was right. . Russia has interfered in American politics, in British politics and so forth on social media. the claim was made Russia interfered in the Brexit referendum if I recall. Do you believe that is correct , and thus should the Brexit referendum be re run ? www.csis.org/blogs/brexit-bits-bobs-and-blogs/did-russia-influence-brexit |
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Post by Steve on Jul 22, 2024 8:40:37 GMT
Very easy isn't it? Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.WaPoDo you want the CBS interview itself before you keep digging your hole? You also shredded nothing except your own argument on the Starmer thread. You were just shown Starmer approved of the earlier decision NOT to prosecute the officers behind Menezes' murder after 2006 - and the pattern continues with Ian Tomlinson also, ie that's how he is. You can't dispute that, so will try to get threads closed Also best not to make it personal as regards papa etc as you did the other day Seems you didn't realise I didn't name such person and he isn't a member of this forum. Seems you don't realise that there is a big difference between saying 'the Russians stole the election' and 'Trump stole it' Seems you don't realise that digging up a September 2019 article in no way supports a 'to this day' claim Seems you don't realise this thread is not about your false claims in the Starmer thread |
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