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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 18:50:19 GMT
You can talk to as many uninformed people as you want. Farage was an MEP so he knew full well Turkey was never going to qualify. Farage had the poster, not some remainer you talked to. I didn't pay much attention to Farage, I was listening to remainers. I came to the conclusion they were simpletons. Oh we are all of us. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 19:16:06 GMT
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 20:17:32 GMT
Islamist extremists can cross the Mediterranean without any help from migrants.
This is Farage being clever again. We should stop refugees coz they're probably economic migrants and they can cover terrorists.
Ooh but we should take some Syrian refugees, see I'm a good guy.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 22:03:48 GMT
Tottenham (North London, UK)
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 22:56:58 GMT
You are now an 'observer' - well played  AFAIK it just means I've made 1,000 posts but I'm very glad it no longer shows me as 'God' |
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 23:00:21 GMT
So, the problem is not really a matter of presentation, you don't want the position itself iterated The position he iterated is wrong. Muslim voting is not THE story of the UK election. And BTW this thread is about the Frech election |
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 23:04:29 GMT
No, you missed the point completely, months before the poster, on the 13th of November 2015 ISIS terrorists who had crossed multiple EU borders carried out a massacre in Paris. Without borders, the EU was wide open to terrorism and we were too. The sheer number of illegal immigrants crossing into the EU can make it harder to identify terrorists. The EU was at breaking point and couldn't cope, hence the poster. The only racism in that argument is in your imagination. At which point will you realise that the Schengen zone and the EU are not the same thing? Is next week looking good? |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 23:26:26 GMT
At what point will you recognise that terrorists entered the EU, traveled across it and their atrocities influenced Nigel's breaking point argument? Prior to ISIS terrorism he was arguing for Syrian refugees to be given asylum (argument was made on BBC news and is still on their website, dated December 2013). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25539843After some pretty horrible terrorist atrocities and the statement by ISIS that they wanted to flood Europe, his arguments changed. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 10, 2024 0:05:06 GMT
At what point will you recognise that terrorists entered the EU, traveled across it and their atrocities influenced Nigel's breaking point argument? . . . Oh I recognise that irrelevant fact, do you recognise its irrelevance? As I've said before you will blame anything and everything on the EU no matter how specious or at times false the linkage |
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Post by vinny on Jul 10, 2024 5:55:28 GMT
It isn't irrelevant to the Breaking Point poster, because that's exactly what Nigel was saying at the time.
Therefore how was he "racist" for making the point about ISIS trying to "flood" the EU and the EU not doing enough about illegal immigration and terrorism?
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Post by Zany on Jul 10, 2024 7:06:43 GMT
At what point will you recognise that terrorists entered the EU, traveled across it and their atrocities influenced Nigel's breaking point argument? Prior to ISIS terrorism he was arguing for Syrian refugees to be given asylum (argument was made on BBC news and is still on their website, dated December 2013). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25539843After some pretty horrible terrorist atrocities and the statement by ISIS that they wanted to flood Europe, his arguments changed. Should the EU have stopped refugees fleeing Syria crossing its borders to stop terrorists. Nigel never did explain. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 10, 2024 7:54:05 GMT
At what point will you recognise that terrorists entered the EU, traveled across it and their atrocities influenced Nigel's breaking point argument? Prior to ISIS terrorism he was arguing for Syrian refugees to be given asylum (argument was made on BBC news and is still on their website, dated December 2013). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25539843After some pretty horrible terrorist atrocities and the statement by ISIS that they wanted to flood Europe, his arguments changed. Should the EU have stopped refugees fleeing Syria crossing its borders to stop terrorists. Of course. There is no European border with Syria In any case, the most visible problem was the invitation, which precipitated a flood of frauds |
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Post by Zany on Jul 10, 2024 7:59:13 GMT
Should the EU have stopped refugees fleeing Syria crossing its borders to stop terrorists. Of course. There is no European border with Syria In any case, the most visible problem was the invitation, which precipitated a flood of frauds The refugees came from Syria, they arrived at the EU border asking for help. You would have refused that help? Presumably you would have refused Polish refugees escaping the Nazi's because there is no border with the UK. Same with Ukrainians? |
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Post by Orac on Jul 10, 2024 8:02:03 GMT
Of course. There is no European border with Syria In any case, the most visible problem was the invitation, which precipitated a flood of frauds The refugees came from Syria, they arrived at the EU border asking for help. You would have refused that help? No. I didn't say I wouldn't help. I just wouldn't have let them into Europe. The Issue i highlighted was that 'all come ,first served (with other people's money)' invitation. It illustrated a weakness. without internal borders, it only takes one lunatic to bring the whole thing down. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 10, 2024 8:11:50 GMT
The refugees came from Syria, they arrived at the EU border asking for help. You would have refused that help? No. I didn't say I wouldn't help. I just wouldn't have let them into Europe. The Issue i highlighted was that 'all come ,first served (with other people's money)' invitation. It illustrated a weakness. without internal borders, it only takes one lunatic to bring the whole thing down. How would you have helped. Bare in mind Turkey had already taken over 3.7million. For reference. After over a decade of conflict, Syria remains the world's largest refugee crisis. Since 2011, more than 14 million Syrians have been forced to flee their homes in search of safety |
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