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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 13:49:42 GMT
Sadly that's not working. The racists are too clever for such a simple scheme. Too clever? Did you see the ignorant racist gibberish posted by Orac yet again above? Filled with crass and crude nonsense? They aren't clever, that isn't the right word. Instead of pandering to it, it should be opposed thoroughly Oracs a follower not a leader. Farage is a leader and 4 million people voted for him. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 14:03:31 GMT
Nigel Farage is not a racist.
Nick Griffin (who is) got 943,598 votes in 2009. That same year the non racist UK Independence Party got 2,498,226 votes.
Even in 2010 the BNP got 564,331 votes.
The non racist UK Independence Party got 919,546 votes in 2010 moving to 3,881,099 in 2015.
The BNP plummeted to 1,667 votes in 2015.
You should be thanking Nigel Farage.
The centre right achieved something the far left never could, that is the destruction of the BNP.
France needs a moderate equivalent of him, to do the same to Marine Le Pen's RN.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 14:12:45 GMT
Too clever? Did you see the ignorant racist gibberish posted by Orac yet again above? Filled with crass and crude nonsense? They aren't clever, that isn't the right word. Instead of pandering to it, it should be opposed thoroughly Oracs a follower not a leader. Farage is a leader and 4 million people voted for him. They've been voting for him a long time, it's only FPTP that's prevented him for having a seat for this long (and dirty Tory tactics as in 2015) So what? It took him 30 years to finally obtain a seat in the HoC with the help of billionaire Richard Tice bankrolling his party - and you call that a success? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 14:13:52 GMT
Nigel Farage is not a racist. Nick Griffin (who is) got 943,598 votes in 2009. That same year the non racist UK Independence Party got 2,498,226 votes. Even in 2010 the BNP got 564,331 votes. The non racist UK Independence Party got 919,546 votes in 2010 moving to 3,881,099 in 2015. The BNP plummeted to 1,667 votes in 2015. You should be thanking Nigel Farage. The centre right achieved something the far left never could, that is the destruction of the BNP. France needs a moderate equivalent of him, to do the same to Marine Le Pen's RN. Of course Farage is racist, maybe you didn't see that poster during the Brexit campaign? To label Farage centre-right as opposed to far-right when 1 in 10 of his party's candidates were friends with the modern British Union of Fascist founder Gary Raikes is hilarious. How many did they have to suspend for open racism again? |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 14:14:51 GMT
France needs a moderate equivalent of him, to do the same to Marine Le Pen's RN. It would be even simpler and more elegant if the mainstream political parties simply accommodated their people's reasonable wish to significantly reduce immigration Then you wouldn't need to overturn an entire establishment. However, apparently, for whatever reason, that simply 'isn't possible'. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 15:07:53 GMT
Nigel Farage is not a racist. Nick Griffin (who is) got 943,598 votes in 2009. That same year the non racist UK Independence Party got 2,498,226 votes. Even in 2010 the BNP got 564,331 votes. The non racist UK Independence Party got 919,546 votes in 2010 moving to 3,881,099 in 2015. The BNP plummeted to 1,667 votes in 2015. You should be thanking Nigel Farage. The centre right achieved something the far left never could, that is the destruction of the BNP. France needs a moderate equivalent of him, to do the same to Marine Le Pen's RN. Nigel Farage's party is full of racists. Worse, its full of people with the most abhorrent views who don't think that is racist. Its then supported by another layer of voters who have been convinced by Farage that foreigners are the cause of our problems. But then that's how clever the racists have become. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 15:09:33 GMT
Nigel Farage is not a racist. Nick Griffin (who is) got 943,598 votes in 2009. That same year the non racist UK Independence Party got 2,498,226 votes. Even in 2010 the BNP got 564,331 votes. The non racist UK Independence Party got 919,546 votes in 2010 moving to 3,881,099 in 2015. The BNP plummeted to 1,667 votes in 2015. You should be thanking Nigel Farage. The centre right achieved something the far left never could, that is the destruction of the BNP. France needs a moderate equivalent of him, to do the same to Marine Le Pen's RN. Of course Farage is racist, maybe you didn't see that poster during the Brexit campaign? To label Farage centre-right as opposed to far-right when 1 in 10 of his party's candidates were friends with the modern British Union of Fascist founder Gary Raikes is hilarious. How many did they have to suspend for open racism again? The poster which made a point about numbers and uncontrolled immigration? Yes I saw it, it was influenced by this:  What was racist about it? It was a point about illegal immigration being mishandled and everything being overwhelmed by sheer numbers.  And before the referendum "the Jungle" in Calais had not been cleared. And this sort of thing was a regular occurrence in Calais. Illegal economic migrants are not asylum seekers, and if you remember, the November 2015 Paris terrorists had crossed multiple EU borders unimpeded. The EU's border and immigration system was broken. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 15:13:59 GMT
Oracs a follower not a leader. Farage is a leader and 4 million people voted for him. They've been voting for him a long time, it's only FPTP that's prevented him for having a seat for this long (and dirty Tory tactics as in 2015) So what? It took him 30 years to finally obtain a seat in the HoC with the help of billionaire Richard Tice bankrolling his party - and you call that a success? Are you saying Racism is not a growing issue? Are you saying that Brexit didn't happen because Farage convinced people that their jobs were being taken by Polls and Romanians. That his huge poster showing Turks queuing up to enter Britain did not chime with his supporters? Call it Nationalism (Little Britain) if you prefer, it amounts to the same thing and its getting worse. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 15:18:38 GMT
Brexit was the natural result of the Maastricht Rebellion (which the UK Independence Party were formed by Alan Sked as an offshoot from).
Sked left in 1997 after falling out with Nigel Farage, Craig Mackinlay (former MP for South Thanet) took over as leader and contested the 1997 election.
Legal migration from the EU had no safeguards, there were criminals came across including the serial killer Dariusz Kotwica and the convicted Latvian murderer Arnis Zalkalns.
But if you oppose "free movement" and advocate visas and work permits instead of it, suddenly you're Hitler!!!
Honestly....
What a farce.
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 15:19:49 GMT
Of course Farage is racist, maybe you didn't see that poster during the Brexit campaign? To label Farage centre-right as opposed to far-right when 1 in 10 of his party's candidates were friends with the modern British Union of Fascist founder Gary Raikes is hilarious. How many did they have to suspend for open racism again? The poster which made a point about numbers and uncontrolled immigration? Yes I saw it, it was influenced by this: What was racist about it? It was a point about illegal immigration being mishandled and everything being overwhelmed by sheer numbers. And before the referendum "the Jungle" in Calais had not been cleared. And this sort of thing was a regular occurrence in Calais Illegal economic migrants are not asylum seekers, and if you remember, the November 2015 Paris terrorists had crossed multiple EU borders unimpeded. The EU's border and immigration system was broken. Then you missed its point completely. It was about FoM and the fact that if Turkey joined the EU thousands of poor Turks would be flooding the UK and taking the jobs. It was of course a lie. There was zero chance of Turkey qualifying to join the EU. But Nige doesn't mind a lie or two to stir up the masses. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 16:18:24 GMT
The poster which made a point about numbers and uncontrolled immigration? Yes I saw it, it was influenced by this: What was racist about it? It was a point about illegal immigration being mishandled and everything being overwhelmed by sheer numbers. And before the referendum "the Jungle" in Calais had not been cleared. And this sort of thing was a regular occurrence in Calais Illegal economic migrants are not asylum seekers, and if you remember, the November 2015 Paris terrorists had crossed multiple EU borders unimpeded. The EU's border and immigration system was broken. Then you missed its point completely. It was about FoM and the fact that if Turkey joined the EU thousands of poor Turks would be flooding the UK and taking the jobs. It was of course a lie. There was zero chance of Turkey qualifying to join the EU. But Nige doesn't mind a lie or two to stir up the masses. The Turkish issue was certainly there. I recal talking to be remainers who seemed almost jubilant at the prospect of there being no real borders between us and Turkey. They did very little to convince me that Turkey wouldn't join, but they put a lot of effort into pursuading me that having the country flooded with 'Turks' would be fantastic If you recall, a larger issue for many leavers was Merkel's infamous invitation and the resultant gigantic stream of migrants that appeared in 2014-2016. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 16:45:58 GMT
Then you missed its point completely. It was about FoM and the fact that if Turkey joined the EU thousands of poor Turks would be flooding the UK and taking the jobs. It was of course a lie. There was zero chance of Turkey qualifying to join the EU. But Nige doesn't mind a lie or two to stir up the masses. The Turkish issue was certainly there. I recal talking to be remainers who seemed almost jubilant at the prospect of there being no real borders between us and Turkey. They did very little to convince me that Turkey wouldn't join, but they put a lot of effort into pursuading me that having the country flooded with 'Turks' would be fantastic If you recall, a larger issue for many leavers was Merkel's infamous invitation and the resultant gigantic stream of migrants that appeared in 2014-2016. You can talk to as many uninformed people as you want. Farage was an MEP so he knew full well Turkey was never going to qualify. Farage had the poster, not some remainer you talked to. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 9, 2024 17:01:38 GMT
No, you missed the point completely, months before the poster, on the 13th of November 2015 ISIS terrorists who had crossed multiple EU borders carried out a massacre in Paris.
Without borders, the EU was wide open to terrorism and we were too.
The sheer number of illegal immigrants crossing into the EU can make it harder to identify terrorists.
The EU was at breaking point and couldn't cope, hence the poster. The only racism in that argument is in your imagination.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 17:32:07 GMT
The Turkish issue was certainly there. I recal talking to be remainers who seemed almost jubilant at the prospect of there being no real borders between us and Turkey. They did very little to convince me that Turkey wouldn't join, but they put a lot of effort into pursuading me that having the country flooded with 'Turks' would be fantastic If you recall, a larger issue for many leavers was Merkel's infamous invitation and the resultant gigantic stream of migrants that appeared in 2014-2016. You can talk to as many uninformed people as you want. Farage was an MEP so he knew full well Turkey was never going to qualify. Farage had the poster, not some remainer you talked to. I didn't pay much attention to Farage, I was listening to remainers. I came to the conclusion they were simpletons. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 18:49:41 GMT
No, you missed the point completely, months before the poster, on the 13th of November 2015 ISIS terrorists who had crossed multiple EU borders carried out a massacre in Paris. Without borders, the EU was wide open to terrorism and we were too. The sheer number of illegal immigrants crossing into the EU can make it harder to identify terrorists. The EU was at breaking point and couldn't cope, hence the poster. The only racism in that argument is in your imagination. What a load of rubbish. I've never heard such clap trap. There are plenty of Asians across the world for no one to stand out. |
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