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Post by dappy on Jul 9, 2024 7:54:14 GMT
Sadly it does seem impossible to have a grown up debate about both immigration and asylum (two largely different things) without descending into hyperbole and nonsense. I agree with Zany it’s a conversation all of us in the west need to have. I really don’t know how to have it.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 9, 2024 8:41:02 GMT
But carry on pushing more and more disinfo. Carry on pretending it's 'not a problem' Where did I pretend QAnon theories are not a problem? They are indeed a problem No I didn't, why must you lie about my position? I'm just against ignorant racist outbursts, I agree immigration needs to be controlled properly, no point trying to lie about my position as my posts on here and other forums have shown for years Proof please that they are 'skill-less, shifty skivers'? Bitchute doesn't count
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 9, 2024 8:44:49 GMT
Again. I was not defending racism. I was trying to get people to allow discussion so we can get rid of racism. We are never going to change the views of people like Orac and if Orac was one of a minority it wouldn't matter. But he's not, there are a growing number of people saying this stuff, enough now that a racist party in this country have 13% of the vote and a racist party in France almost won the election. Yet for all that explanation I put in this thread all you lot can do is call me a racist. I have tried to point this out but people are so concerned to display their own anti racist credentials that all they can do is condemn me for not blocking the conversation. Not sure now how we stop this going all the way to Nazism. Of course it wont be called Nazism at this end, it will be a National socialist party. Only after the holocaust will history re-name it. I'm all for controlling immigration and policing the borders properly, in the UK that starts with funding the Border Force properly. It also starts with carefully controlling temporary work visas which are often abused and people illegally migrate using them, rather than the other ways No point trying to attack me for that, my record shows I'm for fixing immigration on all forums I've posted on, most call me a Trumpist for that I'm just against ignorant racist outbursts, I never called you racist, I said you're defending racism - there's a difference Sorry but it's not hyperbole to call Orac's posts biased QAnon gibberish with racist overtones What happened to calling a spade a spade? I thought that's what was loved by many?
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 9:04:54 GMT
Carry on pretending it's 'not a problem' I'm just against ignorant racist outbursts, I agree immigration needs to be controlled properly, no point trying to lie about my position as my posts on here and other forums have shown for years I realise you would prefer to 'tiptoe around the anus', rather than talk plainly, but I would rather talk about the issue head on - ie many of our towns and cities being virtually besieged by a plague of hostile and useless foreign shitheads - many of who barely manage (or bother to learn) any English, never mind make any attempt to integrate into our culture. I would like to know , who is arguing for and supporting this horseshit? Somebody must be Are you? This sort of language is not welcome on this forum, please desist.
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 10:18:44 GMT
Again. I was not defending racism. I was trying to get people to allow discussion so we can get rid of racism. We are never going to change the views of people like Orac and if Orac was one of a minority it wouldn't matter. But he's not, there are a growing number of people saying this stuff, enough now that a racist party in this country have 13% of the vote and a racist party in France almost won the election. Yet for all that explanation I put in this thread all you lot can do is call me a racist. I have tried to point this out but people are so concerned to display their own anti racist credentials that all they can do is condemn me for not blocking the conversation. Not sure now how we stop this going all the way to Nazism. Of course it wont be called Nazism at this end, it will be a National socialist party. Only after the holocaust will history re-name it. I have no idea how you interpret my post as an attack on your views on immigration and how it might be controlled. My post was about trying to separate the racists from the worried crowd. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean. Sorry but it's not hyperbole to call Orac's posts biased QAnon gibberish with racist overtones What happened to calling a spade a spade? I thought that's what was loved by many? Sadly that's not working. The racists are too clever for such a simple scheme.
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 10:29:04 GMT
I realise you would prefer to 'tiptoe around the anus', rather than talk plainly, but I would rather talk about the issue head on - ie many of our towns and cities being virtually besieged by a plague of hostile and useless f oreign shitheads - many of who barely manage (or bother to learn) any English, never mind make any attempt to integrate into our culture. . . . So you don't want tiptoeing. OK then that by you was just malicious racist bullshit. As was your ' ramming European countries to the brim with hostile, skill-less, shifty skivers may actually be damaging society'
Why do you post such? You must know you can't evidence it and you will get challenged. Do you not also realise that it is setting an appalling tone for this whole site?
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 10:59:32 GMT
I realise you would prefer to 'tiptoe around the anus', rather than talk plainly, but I would rather talk about the issue head on - ie many of our towns and cities being virtually besieged by a plague of hostile and useless f oreign shitheads - many of who barely manage (or bother to learn) any English, never mind make any attempt to integrate into our culture. . . . So you don't want tiptoeing. OK then that by you was just malicious racist bullshit. As was your ' ramming European countries to the brim with hostile, skill-less, shifty skivers may actually be damaging society'
Why do you post such? You must know you can't evidence it and you will get challenged. Do you not also realise that it is setting an appalling tone for this whole site? Indeed Orac has never been able to offer anything more than opinion to support this view. I would be pleased to have something we could argue against.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 11:11:27 GMT
I realise you would prefer to 'tiptoe around the anus', rather than talk plainly, but I would rather talk about the issue head on - ie many of our towns and cities being virtually besieged by a plague of hostile and useless f oreign shitheads - many of who barely manage (or bother to learn) any English, never mind make any attempt to integrate into our culture. . . . So you don't want tiptoeing. OK then that by you was just malicious racist bullshit. As was your ' ramming European countries to the brim with hostile, skill-less, shifty skivers may actually be damaging society'My view is that your position is inadvertently malicious. That you are damning others from a distance with a level of social disintegration that you would object to in strong terms if it were foisted on you. I'm communicating this to you directly.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 12:52:00 GMT
I realise you would prefer to 'tiptoe around the anus', rather than talk plainly, but I would rather talk about the issue head on - ie many of our towns and cities being virtually besieged by a plague of hostile and useless f oreign shitheads - many of who barely manage (or bother to learn) any English, never mind make any attempt to integrate into our culture. . . . Why do you post such? You must know you can't evidence it and you will get challenged. You need to understand the right They don't care about your argument that, what they can see plainly in front of them with their own eyes, somehow isn't really happening.
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 13:05:12 GMT
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 13:15:00 GMT
If you would like to sample a similar position, but presented with less swearing -
You are flushing the country down the toilet into chaos.
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Post by Steve on Jul 9, 2024 13:19:07 GMT
If you would like to sample a similar position, but presented with less swearing - You are flushing the country down the toilet into chaos. Nope Still you follow your 'Jolly Heretic' in that idiot wig if you want
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 13:36:43 GMT
So, the problem is not really a matter of presentation, you don't want the position itself iterated
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 13:37:17 GMT
You are now an 'observer' - well played
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 9, 2024 13:46:46 GMT
I have no idea how you interpret my post as an attack on your views on immigration and how it might be controlled. My post was about trying to separate the racists from the worried crowd. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean. Sorry but it's not hyperbole to call Orac's posts biased QAnon gibberish with racist overtones What happened to calling a spade a spade? I thought that's what was loved by many? Sadly that's not working. The racists are too clever for such a simple scheme. Too clever? Did you see the ignorant racist gibberish posted by Orac yet again above? Filled with crass and crude nonsense? They aren't clever, that isn't the right word. Instead of pandering to it, it should be opposed thoroughly
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