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Post by Steve on Jul 8, 2024 19:02:07 GMT
Zany I suggest you read back starting at page 2
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Post by Zany on Jul 8, 2024 19:57:34 GMT
I think your imagination is silencing the conversation. As far as I know Orac is talking about higher crime rates and overpopulation. Nothing else. There is little doubt the crime rate is very high in Marseille, whether that's the result of immigration can/should be argued. Increasing population is certainly immigration. I keep saying: The reason we have Marine Le Pen is because we silence all discussion. In our fear of offending our black friends we do them great harm. I don't think Le Pen is a symptom of not openly discussing cultural differences. In fact, the French have gone way beyond acculturation in dealing with, in particular, their Muslim population. Hmm. And yet Le Pen exists and has massive support. So what's gone wrong? |
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Post by Zany on Jul 8, 2024 20:02:34 GMT
Zany I suggest you read back starting at page 2 I know the whole JIhadists thing etc. I was hoping to ignore it as it goes nowhere and achieves nothing. So I'll bow out here and leave you to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 20:10:01 GMT
You seem to be into defending the rather grotesque racism of certain parties and far-right elements, for some reason
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Post by equivocal on Jul 8, 2024 20:11:01 GMT
I don't think Le Pen is a symptom of not openly discussing cultural differences. In fact, the French have gone way beyond acculturation in dealing with, in particular, their Muslim population. Hmm. And yet Le Pen exists and has massive support. So what's gone wrong? I'm guessing but I think the Muslims in France have been marginalized and reacted by attacking the society from which they are generally excluded. Thiis, I think, gives plenty ammunition to the far right and bolsters its support for a range of far right measures. Put another way, I think we are generally too tolerant while the French have gone too far the other way. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 8, 2024 20:21:44 GMT
Hmm. And yet Le Pen exists and has massive support. So what's gone wrong? I'm guessing but I think the Muslims in France have been marginalized and reacted by attacking the society from which they are generally excluded. Thiis, I think, gives plenty ammunition to the far right and bolsters its support for a range of far right measures. Put another way, I think we are generally too tolerant while the French have gone too far the other way. The mistake in both cases was to let them in. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 8, 2024 20:56:15 GMT
You seem to be into defending the rather grotesque racism of certain parties and far-right elements, for some reason My history on here and every other forum is in fighting Racism. My credentials are good. I have attempted to explain my reasoning, if you cannot get it, that's fine. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 8, 2024 20:58:21 GMT
Hmm. And yet Le Pen exists and has massive support. So what's gone wrong? I'm guessing but I think the Muslims in France have been marginalized and reacted by attacking the society from which they are generally excluded. Thiis, I think, gives plenty ammunition to the far right and bolsters its support for a range of far right measures. Put another way, I think we are generally too tolerant while the French have gone too far the other way. Yes I hadn't considered that the French might be following a different path to us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 21:29:20 GMT
I'm guessing but I think the Muslims in France have been marginalized and reacted by attacking the society from which they are generally excluded. Thiis, I think, gives plenty ammunition to the far right and bolsters its support for a range of far right measures. Put another way, I think we are generally too tolerant while the French have gone too far the other way. The mistake in both cases was to let them in. Of course, letting in any Muslims; that's what caused problems in France, not the societal problems they've had for years prior, the same problems they've rioted about for decades It's the Muslims that suddenly caused all the unrest and societal problems in France, not the problems they've had for decades |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 21:36:17 GMT
You seem to be into defending the rather grotesque racism of certain parties and far-right elements, for some reason My history on here and every other forum is in fighting Racism. My credentials are good. I have attempted to explain my reasoning, if you cannot get it, that's fine. And yet you seemed to have no trouble defending plenty of it here: ukopenpolitical.freeforums.net/thread/182/reform-manifesto-contract?page=2&scrollTo=6280Still, I'm sure you can simply remove things if not to your liking, as you did the other day. I understand that is "the way" here now. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 8, 2024 21:58:29 GMT
The mistake in both cases was to let them in. Of course, letting in any Muslims; that's what caused problems in France, not the societal problems they've had for years prior, the same problems they've rioted about for decades It's the Muslims that suddenly caused all the unrest and societal problems in France, not the problems they've had for decades .The problems accompanied by importing a 5th column of culturally hostile goat herders from various,backward shit-pits, were both easily avoidable and entirely predictable .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 22:15:30 GMT
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 5:46:18 GMT
But carry on pushing more and more disinfo. Carry on pretending it's 'not a problem' 'this is fine' you shout as thousands of people in 'European' cities riot in celebration of barbecuing Jews |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2024 5:54:27 GMT
You seem to be into defending the rather grotesque racism of certain parties and far-right elements, for some reason My history on here and every other forum is in fighting Racism. My credentials are good. I have attempted to explain my reasoning, if you cannot get it, that's fine. I can confirm that Zany's basic position on these issues is 'BBC contortionist' However, i suspect that latterly he has begun to suspect that ramming European countries to the brim with hostile, skill-less, shifty skivers may actually be damaging society |
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Post by Zany on Jul 9, 2024 7:34:58 GMT
My history on here and every other forum is in fighting Racism. My credentials are good. I have attempted to explain my reasoning, if you cannot get it, that's fine. And yet you seemed to have no trouble defending plenty of it here: ukopenpolitical.freeforums.net/thread/182/reform-manifesto-contract?page=2&scrollTo=6280Still, I'm sure you can simply remove things if not to your liking, as you did the other day. I understand that is "the way" here now. Again. I was not defending racism. I was trying to get people to allow discussion so we can get rid of racism. We are never going to change the views of people like Orac and if Orac was one of a minority it wouldn't matter. But he's not, there are a growing number of people saying this stuff, enough now that a racist party in this country have 13% of the vote and a racist party in France almost won the election. Yet for all that explanation I put in this thread all you lot can do is call me a racist. I have tried to point this out but people are so concerned to display their own anti racist credentials that all they can do is condemn me for not blocking the conversation. Not sure now how we stop this going all the way to Nazism. Of course it wont be called Nazism at this end, it will be a National socialist party. Only after the holocaust will history re-name it. |
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