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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 17:41:30 GMT
I suggest you read that post of mine again I have numerous times. Can you enlighten us , was scotland running a trade deficit or trade surplus in 2021? Claiming to not now know after initially claiming to have the answer on page 16 is also making you look rather foolish. I am not going to simplify the comments. I will point out three things: no one is backing you, no one likes your abusive style of posting and the Statista link I posted shows very clearly that even the Scottish government doesn't beleive those experimental guessed ONS figures you rely on www.statista.com/statistics/348541/scotland-net-trade/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 17:44:06 GMT
No one is backing him?
Didn't LSE refute the Statista graphs according to what I read above?
In that case, others are backing him, I'm backing his arguments about Scotland fully as I always have, because they are backed up by over 100 years of facts
And I think his style of posting is great
Steve, please don't speak for everyone here
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 17:52:37 GMT
I have numerous times. Can you enlighten us , was scotland running a trade deficit or trade surplus in 2021? Claiming to not now know after initially claiming to have the answer on page 16 is also making you look rather foolish. I am not going to simplify the comments. I will point out three things: no one is backing you, no one likes your abusive style of posting and the Statista link I posted shows very clearly that even the Scottish government doesn't beleive those experimental guessed ONS figures you rely on www.statista.com/statistics/348541/scotland-net-trade/ I dont need anyone to back me. You were the one calling for help further back on the page. I asked a simple civil question and you won't answer me. Clearly one of your links is utter bullshit , your "proof" scotland runs a trade deficit , and I simply pointed out the obvious and how you were making yourself look silly. you now appear to be calling into question your second link ....no? in which case , why should we believe anything you post when you cant even post links that compliment rather than contradict each other. is this not a personal attack ? Another diversion away from the thrust of our debate about your dodgy contradictory links? I couldnt care less who does or doest like me. As. a scot indy supporter on a predominantly English forum , im not expecting universal love from the residents who clearly dont want to lose their Scottish cash cow that keeps Blighty ticking along. We are supposed to be debating , not having a love in. If you cant handle that , as we have seen elsewhere , perhaps debating forums aren't for you hen.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 17:53:48 GMT
No one is backing him? Didn't LSE refute the Statista graphs according to what I read above? In that case, others are backing him, I'm backing his arguments about Scotland fully as I always have, because they are backed up by over 100 years of facts And I think his style of posting is great Steve, please don't speak for everyone here Steves rather all hot and bothered and upset cause he didnt read one of his links which showed the opposite to what he earlier claimed. Thanks for the support ,though , its very kind.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 17:57:41 GMT
I have numerous times. Can you enlighten us , was scotland running a trade deficit or trade surplus in 2021? Claiming to not now know after initially claiming to have the answer on page 16 is also making you look rather foolish. I am not going to simplify the comments. I will point out three things: no one is backing you, no one likes your abusive style of posting and the Statista link I posted shows very clearly that even the Scottish government doesn't beleive those experimental guessed ONS figures you rely on www.statista.com/statistics/348541/scotland-net-trade/ to get back to the debate after your wee tantrum , first of all the Scottish government doesn't run Statista. They are a global data company originally established in Germany. Statista claim to be using scot governments own figures as a source , but the Scottish government contradict your claims about them using scot Govs own figure ........ www.gov.scot/news/scottish-trade-outperforming-other-uk-nations/#:~:text=In%202021%20Scotland%20had%20the,in%20the%20five%20years%20measured They show that:
In 2021 Scotland had the highest trade surplus, at £20.9 billion, of all the four UK nations and the UK as a whole The estimated value of Scotland’s trade surplus in 2021 was at its highest point in the five years measured
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 18:04:04 GMT
as I understand it , your Statista graph was done using figures by HMRC , which exclude oil and gas from Scotlands trade. different methodologies have been used to selectively show scotland in a bad light , we know from gers figures that the scot government use a lot of data from uk sources , and do their best over the years to tidy them up. Trade that should be counted as Scottish gets selectively put down as unknown allocation. Hence your Statista figures appear to be cherry picked nonsense. www.gov.scot/publications/about-export-statistics-scotland/pages/other-sources/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 18:18:28 GMT
If Scotland was run from Scotland, their GDP figures might be a lot higher too, whereas being run from afar things are not tailored for local circumstance
The fact is most countries prosper during independence from Britain, that's historically been the case. Look at how countries like India recently overtook the UK in GDP figures, I'll bet Scotland's GDP per capita would rise within a short space of time
Maybe English users here would look up the 'McCrone report' where Labour covered up the truth in the 1970s, how telling is that?
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 18:25:07 GMT
No one is backing him? Didn't LSE refute the Statista graphs according to what I read above? In that case, others are backing him, I'm backing his arguments about Scotland fully as I always have, because they are backed up by over 100 years of facts And I think his style of posting is great Steve, please don't speak for everyone here I never said I did.
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 18:27:28 GMT
No one is backing him? Didn't LSE refute the Statista graphs according to what I read above? In that case, others are backing him, I'm backing his arguments about Scotland fully as I always have, because they are backed up by over 100 years of facts . . Who or what is LSE and which post are you referring to that supposedly refutes?
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 18:27:38 GMT
If Scotland was run from Scotland, their GDP figures might be a lot higher too, whereas being run from afar things are not tailored for local circumstance The fact is most countries prosper during independence from Britain, that's historically been the case. Look at how countries like India recently overtook the UK in GDP figures, I'll bet Scotland's GDP per capita would rise within a short space of time Maybe English users here would look up the 'McCrone report' where Labour covered up the truth in the 1970s, how telling is that? exactly. Independence from Westminster isnt exactly a leap in the dark is it? We have 65 countries who have taken that well worn route , including our near neighbours in ireland. Poor Irish , I bet they wish they were back under westminster rule. all that mass deliberate starvation , looting , invasions , and mass emigration never hurt anyone. Now look at the poor buggers . I mind reading how the Irish economist David macwilliams compared the republics gap to northern irelands , and their wealth to the British part of the islands relative poverty and said its staking how well the public has done away from British rule.
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 18:31:25 GMT
No one is backing him? Didn't LSE refute the Statista graphs according to what I read above? In that case, others are backing him, I'm backing his arguments about Scotland fully as I always have, because they are backed up by over 100 years of facts . . Who or what is LSE and which post are you referring to that supposedly refutes? in this next article I will link to , from the LSE blog , no friend of Scottish indy , it points out scotland ran a trade surplus of £5 billion in 2018 ,( while the rest of the uk ran a trade deficit of nearly £135 billion.) Your wee graph says scotland ran a trade deficit .
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 21, 2024 18:33:01 GMT
Isn't this thread about rejoining the EU? 🤔
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 18:36:57 GMT
Isn't this thread about rejoining the EU? 🤔 I know Andrew. Steve felt he had to make a point to me when I was telling Vincent about Englands trade deficit , and the thread has sort of wandered due to the cut and thrust of debate since.
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 18:43:48 GMT
Scotland has sent more to England throughout its history than the other way round, the English insist that Scotland is the one 'sucking at the teat' of Westminster, you couldn't make it up, then people become abusive against all Scots as if they are the second-class citizens, again, you couldn't make it up could you? I have never heard English insisting that Scotland is the one 'sucking at the teat' of Westminster, So it seems you could make it up.
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 18:45:17 GMT
zany im no pedant , but it doesn't look great when a moderator of a site cant even properly use the sites quote tags. STAY ON THE SUBJECTAlmost 60% of Scots think the UK Government was right to grant new oil and gas licences in UK waters.
A Survation poll for advisory firm True North found 58% agree with the decision, while 21% disagree
www.insider.co.uk/news/most-scots-support-decision-grant-32000414
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