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Post by Zany on Jun 22, 2024 18:34:53 GMT
A deal on Gibraltar, withdraw from Cyprus.?
Adopt the Euro.
FoM
Whatever it takes?
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Post by Steve on Jun 22, 2024 19:01:45 GMT
No
Only on the terms on offer in June 2016 and lets be honest, they won't be offered.
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Post by Zany on Jun 23, 2024 12:37:12 GMT
No Only on the terms on offer in June 2016 and lets be honest, they won't be offered. What are your objections to full integration? I can't see anything that outweighs the down side of being out. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 23, 2024 13:54:55 GMT
No Only on the terms on offer in June 2016 and lets be honest, they won't be offered. What are your objections to full integration? I can't see anything that outweighs the down side of being out. Rejoining the EU on worse terms (ie, the concessions and opt-outs) than the UK had won during its membership would need careful consideration and open discussion.
Admittedly, the promised benefits that Brexit was to bring to the UK — even those yet to be realised — should also be compared with the actuality.
Also, would the other EU members fully trust the UK's commitment even if they allowed its re-entry...?
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Post by Steve on Jun 23, 2024 14:41:40 GMT
No Only on the terms on offer in June 2016 and lets be honest, they won't be offered. What are your objections to full integration? I can't see anything that outweighs the down side of being out. We would have all the problems of free movement again AND we couldn't undo that EU-Japan trade deal we could have vetoed. AND on your plan we'd have the Euro, no rebate and none of those huge exemptions we got from Lisbon and other treaties. |
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Post by Zany on Jun 23, 2024 15:54:40 GMT
What are your objections to full integration? I can't see anything that outweighs the down side of being out. Rejoining the EU on worse terms (ie, the concessions and opt-outs) than the UK had won during its membership would need careful consideration and open discussion.
Admittedly, the promised benefits that Brexit was to bring to the UK — even those yet to be realised — should also be compared with the actuality.
Also, would the other EU members fully trust the UK's commitment even if they allowed its re-entry...?
If you believe the eu press they would like us to rejoin but would not contemplate it on less than a 70% in favour vote. |
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Post by Zany on Jun 23, 2024 15:58:10 GMT
What are your objections to full integration? I can't see anything that outweighs the down side of being out. We would have all the problems of free movement again AND we couldn't undo that EU-Japan trade deal we could have vetoed. AND on your plan we'd have the Euro, no rebate and none of those huge exemptions we got from Lisbon and other treaties. Yes I'm aware of what we would sign up to. FoM would need us to adjust our own benefits systems just as it would had we stayed in. But I don't see it bringing in more people than we currently invite |
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Post by Steve on Jun 23, 2024 16:25:52 GMT
We could only meaningfully so adjust our benefits system if we got a waiver (ie as per Cameron's deal). But you rejected my 'only on the terms on offer in June 2016' position.
You sure you've thought this through?
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2024 18:17:27 GMT
What are your objections to full integration? I can't see anything that outweighs the down side of being out. We would have all the problems of free movement again AND we couldn't undo that EU-Japan trade deal we could have vetoed. AND on your plan we'd have the Euro, no rebate and none of those huge exemptions we got from Lisbon and other treaties. What issues did we have with FoM that we haven't had since Brexit? |
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Post by Zany on Jun 23, 2024 18:47:46 GMT
We could only meaningfully so adjust our benefits system if we got a waiver (ie as per Cameron's deal). But you rejected my 'only on the terms on offer in June 2016' position. You sure you've thought this through? Could we not make our benefits system work within the EU rules, every other country seems to manage. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 23, 2024 19:52:55 GMT
We would have all the problems of free movement again AND we couldn't undo that EU-Japan trade deal we could have vetoed. AND on your plan we'd have the Euro, no rebate and none of those huge exemptions we got from Lisbon and other treaties. What issues did we have with FoM that we haven't had since Brexit? We could end that issue but with FoM we had a huge potential for people in numbers claiming UK citizenship |
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Post by Steve on Jun 23, 2024 19:55:26 GMT
We could only meaningfully so adjust our benefits system if we got a waiver (ie as per Cameron's deal). But you rejected my 'only on the terms on offer in June 2016' position. You sure you've thought this through? Could we not make our benefits system work within the EU rules, every other country seems to manage. True but we have that big issue is that English is probably the most held second language in Europe so millions there think they can do well here and many of them would be right. |
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Post by Zany on Jun 23, 2024 20:08:48 GMT
Could we not make our benefits system work within the EU rules, every other country seems to manage. True but we have that big issue is that English is probably the most held second language in Europe so millions there think they can do well here and many of them would be right. Yes, one of the issues we had with FoM was that we attracted more unskilled workers to the UK as they spoke English. Can we concoct a solution? |
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Post by Zany on Jun 23, 2024 20:13:14 GMT
What issues did we have with FoM that we haven't had since Brexit? We could end that issue but with FoM we had a huge potential for people in numbers claiming UK citizenship And equal numbers going the other way? |
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Post by Steve on Jun 23, 2024 21:44:28 GMT
True but we have that big issue is that English is probably the most held second language in Europe so millions there think they can do well here and many of them would be right. Yes, one of the issues we had with FoM was that we attracted more unskilled workers to the UK as they spoke English. Can we concoct a solution? Well we could invent a time machine, go back to January 2017 get the electoral commission to actually do its job and then Article 50 would not have got passed and we'd be in the EU on those revised Feb 2016 terms. |
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