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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 10:21:03 GMT
nice wee graph Steve , but how accurate is it? Are you sure this isnt just some cherry picked figures lumping a large part of the uks massive trade deficit , which the European commission pointed out a decade ago , hit 4.4% of gdp and was the worst of any industrialised nation in the world? For example , your wee graph has scotland running a trade deficit over the course of 2021. The ONS on the other hand said scotland ran a trade surplus in 2021 , Scotlands highest in five years. www.gov.scot/news/scottish-trade-outperforming-other-uk-nations/#:~:text=In%202021%20Scotland%20had%20the,in%20the%20five%20years%20measured in this next article I will link to , from the LSE blog , no friend of Scottish indy , it points out scotland ran a trade surplus of £5 billion in 2018 ,( while the rest of the uk ran a trade deficit of nearly £135 billion.) Your wee graph says scotland ran a trade deficit . blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2021/02/04/indyref2-scottish-independence-would-be-2-3-times-more-costly-than-that-of-brexit-and-rejoining-the-eu-wouldnt-make-up-the-difference/ in this next article , in the scotsman ,from a decade ago , it points out more of the same on how rUK relies heavily on Scottish exports ..... archive.is/CU3FR So I would question the accuracy of your figures that appear to show scotland running a trade deficit , contrary to everything ive ever read , over the course of the last quarter of a century in your wee graph. While I appreciate Englands Brexit has hit Scotlands exports exceptionally had over the last few years , especially in the food and drink sector , England , especially the south east of your country is where the massive problems lie. Q: How would your figures change if we stop drilling for gas in Scotland? |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 10:25:33 GMT
Google shipbuilding subsidies scrapped 1990. Maggie was very pleased to see the subsidies go. After the scrapping of the subsidies ship builders including Swan Hunter stopped building. Google Ford Langley factory closure 1997. Ford Dagenham car production ends 2000. Ford Southampton Transit production ends 2012. Aluminium smelting closes Scotland 2000, Kinlochleven. All sorts of manufacturers stopped manufacturing here when we were members, because it was cheaper to manufacture in the low wage low tax bits of the EU. Sooner or later they will need to create balance as other countries in the EU have had problems too. Full fiscal union or abolition of the Euro. They're going to have to do something. And if measures to balance wages and taxes aren't done, industrial migration in search of low wage low tax economies will continue. you want other people to do all the work for you and prove your theories correct? You provide links to what you are talking about. If you cant , we can safely dismiss all your rants and moans about your pet hates. thats a bit of an own goal coming out with this guff isnt it , with the mass industrial migration that has rocketed up since we left the EU. I thought ending FOM and leaving the EU was supposed to stop Johnny Foreigner coming here taking all your jobs ? Hasn't net migration into the uk hit record all time highs since we left the EU? |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 10:32:31 GMT
nice wee graph Steve , but how accurate is it? Are you sure this isnt just some cherry picked figures lumping a large part of the uks massive trade deficit , which the European commission pointed out a decade ago , hit 4.4% of gdp and was the worst of any industrialised nation in the world? For example , your wee graph has scotland running a trade deficit over the course of 2021. The ONS on the other hand said scotland ran a trade surplus in 2021 , Scotlands highest in five years. www.gov.scot/news/scottish-trade-outperforming-other-uk-nations/#:~:text=In%202021%20Scotland%20had%20the,in%20the%20five%20years%20measured in this next article I will link to , from the LSE blog , no friend of Scottish indy , it points out scotland ran a trade surplus of £5 billion in 2018 ,( while the rest of the uk ran a trade deficit of nearly £135 billion.) Your wee graph says scotland ran a trade deficit . blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2021/02/04/indyref2-scottish-independence-would-be-2-3-times-more-costly-than-that-of-brexit-and-rejoining-the-eu-wouldnt-make-up-the-difference/ in this next article , in the scotsman ,from a decade ago , it points out more of the same on how rUK relies heavily on Scottish exports ..... archive.is/CU3FR So I would question the accuracy of your figures that appear to show scotland running a trade deficit , contrary to everything ive ever read , over the course of the last quarter of a century in your wee graph. While I appreciate Englands Brexit has hit Scotlands exports exceptionally had over the last few years , especially in the food and drink sector , England , especially the south east of your country is where the massive problems lie. Q: How would your figures change if we stop drilling for gas in Scotland? dont understand your question or relevance of it? Are you implying an over reliance of Scotlands oil and gas sector regarding trade ? Im questioning Steves nice wee graph that conveniently shows a non stop trade deficit for scotland from 1998 to 2023. im just wondering how this breaks down , and what the individual figures are. As for stopping drilling for gas in scotland , im cheering on you new labour muppets every step of the way. Once milliband and starmer start putting people on the dole at the altar of the climate god , they will be as hated as thatcher and the tories were in the eighties. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 21, 2024 11:11:25 GMT
Q: How would your figures change if we stop drilling for gas in Scotland? dont understand your question or relevance of it? Are you implying an over reliance of Scotlands oil and gas sector regarding trade ? Im questioning Steves nice wee graph that conveniently shows a non stop trade deficit for scotland from 1998 to 2023. im just wondering how this breaks down , and what the individual figures are. As for stopping drilling for gas in scotland , im cheering on you new labour muppets every step of the way. Once milliband and starmer start putting people on the dole at the altar of the climate god , they will be as hated as thatcher and the tories were in the eighties. I'm questioning how much of Scotland's current exports are North sea gas. And obviously what happens to that income as we switch away from fossil fuels. Do you think climate change is not an issue for the peoples of Scotland. Incidentally Scotland has huge potential for producing renewable energy. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 11:18:55 GMT
dont understand your question or relevance of it? Are you implying an over reliance of Scotlands oil and gas sector regarding trade ? Im questioning Steves nice wee graph that conveniently shows a non stop trade deficit for scotland from 1998 to 2023. im just wondering how this breaks down , and what the individual figures are. As for stopping drilling for gas in scotland , im cheering on you new labour muppets every step of the way. Once milliband and starmer start putting people on the dole at the altar of the climate god , they will be as hated as thatcher and the tories were in the eighties. I'm questioning how much of Scotland's current exports are North sea gas. And obviously what happens to that income as we switch away from fossil fuels. Do you think climate change is not an issue for the peoples of Scotland. Incidentally Scotland has huge potential for producing renewable energy. all you need do is look at the total export figures , and take gas figures away ? As I said , im unsure where you are leading with this ? Energy is not devolved , it's reserved to Westminster and the uk government directly benefits from it. ? I dont agree with switching away from fossil fuels , and oil for example is used in many things outside of running a vehicle engine. The political fallout to labour throwing an estimated 100 000 jobs on the scrapheap is going to be huge. The question is better being framed as will the people of scotland , England and elsewhere accept being poorer colder and hungrier to appease the climate alarmists? I dont think so. not if we remain part of the uk. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 12:18:31 GMT
dont understand your question or relevance of it? Are you implying an over reliance of Scotlands oil and gas sector regarding trade ? Im questioning Steves nice wee graph that conveniently shows a non stop trade deficit for scotland from 1998 to 2023. im just wondering how this breaks down , and what the individual figures are. As for stopping drilling for gas in scotland , im cheering on you new labour muppets every step of the way. Once milliband and starmer start putting people on the dole at the altar of the climate god , they will be as hated as thatcher and the tories were in the eighties. Incidentally Scotland has huge potential for producing renewable energy. sorry ive just re read this , and you sound quite arrogant and condescending here dont you zany? You are telling me , a scot , that my country has the potential to massively benefit your country England via our renewables ? After your government has leeched our oil and gas , now you want to move onto our renewables? Every post you make , it's clear England is massively over reliant on the Scottish cash cow ,and we can see why you are desperate to hold onto us. I see your new labour parties claims about green energy , and GB energy in particular are being scrutinised and taken apart bit by bit. www.businessforscotland.com/will_gb_energy_achieve_what_the_labour_government_has_promised_5_questions_answered
Conclusion
GB Energy is not going to deliver the new UK government's election promises:
It will not enable Scotland to fulfill its potential as a renewable energy powerhouse
It will do little or nothing to address the injustice that Scottish households and businesses pay the highest energy bills in Europe whilst Scotland is producing so much cheap renewable electricity.
GB Energy is another example of the UK government trying to stamp a Union flag on Scottish resources and call them British. Another example of Scotland's energy potential and the good it could do Scotland being diluted by this broken union. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 15:04:26 GMT
nice wee graph Steve , but how accurate is it? Are you sure this isnt just some cherry picked figures lumping a large part of the uks massive trade deficit , which the European commission pointed out a decade ago , hit 4.4% of gdp and was the worst of any industrialised nation in the world? For example , your wee graph has scotland running a trade deficit over the course of 2021. The ONS on the other hand said scotland ran a trade surplus in 2021 , Scotlands highest in five years. www.gov.scot/news/scottish-trade-outperforming-other-uk-nations/#:~:text=In%202021%20Scotland%20had%20the,in%20the%20five%20years%20measured in this next article I will link to , from the LSE blog , no friend of Scottish indy , it points out scotland ran a trade surplus of £5 billion in 2018 ,( while the rest of the uk ran a trade deficit of nearly £135 billion.) Your wee graph says scotland ran a trade deficit . blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2021/02/04/indyref2-scottish-independence-would-be-2-3-times-more-costly-than-that-of-brexit-and-rejoining-the-eu-wouldnt-make-up-the-difference/ in this next article , in the scotsman ,from a decade ago , it points out more of the same on how rUK relies heavily on Scottish exports ..... archive.is/CU3FR So I would question the accuracy of your figures that appear to show scotland running a trade deficit , contrary to everything ive ever read , over the course of the last quarter of a century in your wee graph. While I appreciate Englands Brexit has hit Scotlands exports exceptionally had over the last few years , especially in the food and drink sector , England , especially the south east of your country is where the massive problems lie. I got them from Statista, you are setting great store by a one off set of experimental set of ONS figures from 3 years ago that they never repeated - perhaps because they were inaccurate www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/internationaltrade/bulletins/internationaltradeinuknationsregionsandcities/2021 |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:13:41 GMT
nice wee graph Steve , but how accurate is it? Are you sure this isnt just some cherry picked figures lumping a large part of the uks massive trade deficit , which the European commission pointed out a decade ago , hit 4.4% of gdp and was the worst of any industrialised nation in the world? For example , your wee graph has scotland running a trade deficit over the course of 2021. The ONS on the other hand said scotland ran a trade surplus in 2021 , Scotlands highest in five years. www.gov.scot/news/scottish-trade-outperforming-other-uk-nations/#:~:text=In%202021%20Scotland%20had%20the,in%20the%20five%20years%20measured in this next article I will link to , from the LSE blog , no friend of Scottish indy , it points out scotland ran a trade surplus of £5 billion in 2018 ,( while the rest of the uk ran a trade deficit of nearly £135 billion.) Your wee graph says scotland ran a trade deficit . blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2021/02/04/indyref2-scottish-independence-would-be-2-3-times-more-costly-than-that-of-brexit-and-rejoining-the-eu-wouldnt-make-up-the-difference/ in this next article , in the scotsman ,from a decade ago , it points out more of the same on how rUK relies heavily on Scottish exports ..... archive.is/CU3FR So I would question the accuracy of your figures that appear to show scotland running a trade deficit , contrary to everything ive ever read , over the course of the last quarter of a century in your wee graph. While I appreciate Englands Brexit has hit Scotlands exports exceptionally had over the last few years , especially in the food and drink sector , England , especially the south east of your country is where the massive problems lie. I got them from Statista, you are setting great store by a one off set of experimental set of ONS figures from 3 years ago that they never repeated - perhaps because they were inaccurate www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/internationaltrade/bulletins/internationaltradeinuknationsregionsandcities/2021I know where you got them. Im asking how the figures break down , and im pointing out numerous sites , from the Scottish gov to the LSE question their validity. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:17:33 GMT
just read through that briefly , I take it you haven't? here from your own link in 2021... Scotland 17.8 26.9 11.4 23.2 29.2 50.1 20.9
according to your own link , in 2021 scotland had a trade surplus in goods , a trade surplus in services , and an overall trade surplus . your earlier Statista graph shows the opposite for this year . which link are you telling me is correct? |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 15:17:43 GMT
Or in short we don't know the actual position and you have nothing to back your assertion
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:27:16 GMT
Or in short we don't know the actual position and you have nothing to back your assertion dont try and bullshit your way out Steve. You clearly posted two different links which show clearly contradictory claims. The Statista one says scotland ran a trade deficit of minus 3.6 quarter one 2021 , to minus 4.8 final quarter 2021. The ons link says scotland ran a trade surplus in 2021 of 20.9 billion .Its in figure three. I ask again , which of your two contradictory links are you saying is correct? If you cant or won't answer , we can dismiss the nonsense you are coming out with as lies. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 15:29:35 GMT
Oh dear silly abuse ^ just because you have no reliable data to back your assertion
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from me
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:33:03 GMT
Oh dear silly abuse ^ just because you have no reliable data to back your assertion Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from me how sad. You made a mistake , have been called out on that mistake , and now revert back to littering the thread with bullshit and innuendo. I often find with people like you , you are that quick to run in and try and disprove someone you dont even read the link you are posting. Hence why you won't tell me if the ons link is correct. ....because it rips apart your silly wee Statista graph . |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 15:36:35 GMT
Can someone please help Amadan understand 'Experimental estimated value of exports and imports of goods and services for 2021 for International Territory Levels 1, 2 and 3, and city regions. Includes EU and non-EU split along with data for top 20 partner countries.'
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:38:17 GMT
Can someone please help Amadan understand 'Experimental estimated value of exports and imports of goods and services for 2021 for International Territory Levels 1, 2 and 3, and city regions. Includes EU and non-EU split along with data for top 20 partner countries.'
you are a big boy Steve. You dont need mummy to hold your hand. you explain the contradiction please in your two links. Over to you? |
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