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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 15:41:19 GMT
That in itself is a lie....... Farage was the inventor of the 'send £350M to the EU a week' lie, He used it as £50M a day but it was the same lie and he told it from 2011. FullFact give him a less than spotless record sicne becoming an MP. Happy reading: fullfact.org/can-i-trust/1779/nigel-farage/Starmer clearly made claims he believed were true, at least one of those three FulFact mention looks to have been true. Not correcting the record isn't a lie. Sorry but you clearly said Starmer doesn't tell lies, I'm using your standards here remember? FF asked him to correct the record and he refused, if that doesn't make him a liar I'd like to know what it makes him? It looks like you're saying FullFact is wrong? That's interesting, would you like to prove how they are wrong? I don't believe I've ever claimed Farage was anything other than a liar, so I'm not sure why you're sending me that irrelevant link about something we've discussed endlessly since at least 2019
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 15:46:21 GMT
Seems you don't know what a lie and a liar actually are.
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 15:55:05 GMT
So if you say repeat something you know is untrue and then refuse to correct the record, that doesn't make one a liar?
You go with that snide insinuation, as you do
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 16:00:41 GMT
You haven't shown Starmer repeatedly said something he knew to be untrue. In fat you've neither shown he repeated it or knew it to be untrue.
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 16:01:14 GMT
Read the FullFact link.
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 16:02:49 GMT
I did, and 'go figure' posting is so poor. Why not quote the words you suppose back your case?
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 16:07:12 GMT
Oh right, so you read this sublink in my link? fullfact.org/economy/labour-starmer-reeves-2620-cost-of-living/They repeated that claim 4 times and were asked to correct it and haven't done so. It's not just Starmer repeating obvious lies, it's Reeves too. Seems you don't give a flying toss about honesty when it suits, you'll just tribally back your own side whether right or wrong - just like a football game or the olympics or whatever. Others have higher standards and don't abide even when their own are doing wrong (not that I am Labour but still..)
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 16:09:46 GMT
So in short Starmer didn't repeat the claim and clearly believed it was true and had you read your link you would see FullFAct don't say it's untrue.
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 16:15:54 GMT
That is a lie
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 16:31:55 GMT
Nope, just read your own link - you know the one you mysteriously avoid quoting text from
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 16:43:14 GMT
Oh goodness, it has to be copied and pasted too
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 16:44:09 GMT
Now tell us again how dishonest Farage was with his 350m a week lie
And compare and contrast with Labour - they both do the same stuff, except you don't challenge one of them but challenge the other, double standards at their finest
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 16:50:39 GMT
Oh goodness, it has to be copied and pasted too Now read it again tracing each word with your index finger and this time aloud. Starmer only said it once. IE not repeated by him. Now read the very last sentence. Does it say the claim was false? No, it says it's hard to beleive.
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2024 16:51:37 GMT
Now tell us again how dishonest Farage was with his 350m a week lie And compare and contrast with Labour - they both do the same stuff, except you don't challenge one of them but challenge the other, double standards at their finest Have you been asleep these last years when the £350M sent to the EU claim was shown over and over again to be false?
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 3, 2024 16:52:32 GMT
Your extremely rude and offensive tone doesn't work, because FullFact clearly says they refused to correct the record despite being asked 4 times
I'm not sure how large I can make the font size, but I expect you won't bother reading it anyway and use verbal gymnastics to defend the indefensible as always
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