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Post by Zany on Jun 9, 2024 8:35:23 GMT
This comes hard for me, but I just watched Mr Farage on Laura Kuenssburg and I had to agree with everything he said.
Has anyone else seen the interview.
Do I need help.
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Post by Steve on Jun 9, 2024 8:50:55 GMT
Just rewinding the buffer to take a look
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Post by Steve on Jun 9, 2024 9:06:40 GMT
Some common sense but loads of expensive uncosted questionable promises and wild exaggerations. Bragging about his charity work was pretty poor too.
Double standards on Sunak and his own criminal aide and some not unsubtle racism.
Lets see if he can credibly deliver on that promise to unveil tomorrow how he could instantly save £35B.
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Post by Zany on Jun 9, 2024 9:39:30 GMT
Some common sense but loads of expensive uncosted questionable promises and wild exaggerations. Bragging about his charity work was pretty poor too. Double standards on Sunak and his own criminal aide and some not unsubtle racism. Lets see if he can credibly deliver on that promise to unveil tomorrow how he could instantly save £35B. Yes I should qualify everything. Didn't agree he could cut NHS costs by stopping diversity managers On racism, I disagree on this occasion, taking him at face value (hmm) I agree that Sunak is married into a very wealthy Indian family from a country where they still have a caste system and the divide between rich and poor is seen as divine. This should not effect him, but as far as his actions are concerned it appears to. Farage made it clear he was not referring to his nationality. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 9, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
After making sure everyone that might vote reform had been reminded Sunak wasn't white
Going to be interesting to see not just that £35B but how he supposes a £40B giveaway by raising tax threshold to £20k is actually a saving on net government spend
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Post by Zany on Jun 9, 2024 11:56:46 GMT
After making sure everyone that might vote reform had been reminded Sunak wasn't white Going to be interesting to see not just that £35B but how he supposes a £40B giveaway by raising tax threshold to £20k is actually a saving on net government spend I wont be voting reform either way but I can see the frustration of people like Red Rackham who want immigration stopped but are accused of being racist at every opportunity. I can also see how the real racists hear what they want to hear from Reform. But in the other place not one of the 'racists' has ever pointed to Sunak's origins. |
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Post by Steve on Jun 9, 2024 12:37:15 GMT
To be fair they don't actually say immigration stopped, they say only where needed. But the problem with that is we have so many gaps in our workforce we'd still have significant immigration.
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Post by dappy on Jun 9, 2024 14:09:49 GMT
To be fair Zany, I think Red Rackham’s views are fundamentally driven by racism. But that perhaps is a diversion.
I am interested what it was in Farage’s interview that you found compelling. I didn’t see what you saw. There is no doubt that Farage is a very good communicator and a very good disruptor. He deserves to be listened to.
For me though in this interview I didn’t see anything persuasive
1) Dog whistle racism towards Sunak
2) it’s all the immigrants fault
3) unfunded tax cut
4) we can sort out the NHS if only we adopted another model (but no detailed explanation of what that model is and what are it’s tradeoffs and disadvantages. I am not averse by the way to
Looking at what other countries do and copying if they do it better - but this felt more like a slogan than a serious proposal
5) as did the Bank of England interest proposal which I suspect they will propose to use to “fund”all their proposals which will be far too complex for many of us understand but if there weee a no consequence free money pot, you have to assume would already have been done.
It’s a strange dynamic at present with Labour having no interest in attacking Reform as it splits the right vote and Tories unable to as a significant part of their party broadly sharing their agenda. As a result the reality that Reform offer a reversion to Liz Truss is going way over the heads of most voters - including many who will vote for them. Perhaps for many they don’t care as long as Reform have a go at foreigners (especially brown foreigners)
Meanwhile Labour and Tory serve up the sort of shrill unedifying pointless cat fight we saw in the second debate - surely turning off any sane person listening to them and the Tories just lie about Labours tax plans. It really is totally tedious.
Can’t help wondering and fearing a little where our country and humanity in general are heading.
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Post by Zany on Jun 9, 2024 15:13:04 GMT
To be fair they don't actually say immigration stopped, they say only where needed. But the problem with that is we have so many gaps in our workforce we'd still have significant immigration. True, significant reduction. Which is something I also want. The poison in the well are those who talk of losing our identity or ending up with Sharia law. The sadness is when Red Rackham believes the crap. |
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Post by Zany on Jun 9, 2024 15:13:47 GMT
To be fair Zany, I think Red Rackham’s views are fundamentally driven by racism. But that perhaps is a diversion. I am interested what it was in Farage’s interview that you found compelling. I didn’t see what you saw. There is no doubt that Farage is a very good communicator and a very good disruptor. He deserves to be listened to. For me though in this interview I didn’t see anything persuasive 1) Dog whistle racism towards Sunak 2) it’s all the immigrants fault 3) unfunded tax cut 4) we can sort out the NHS if only we adopted another model (but no detailed explanation of what that model is and what are it’s tradeoffs and disadvantages. I am not averse by the way to Looking at what other countries do and copying if they do it better - but this felt more like a slogan than a serious proposal 5) as did the Bank of England interest proposal which I suspect they will propose to use to “fund”all their proposals which will be far too complex for many of us understand but if there weee a no consequence free money pot, you have to assume would already have been done. It’s a strange dynamic at present with Labour having no interest in attacking Reform as it splits the right vote and Tories unable to as a significant part of their party broadly sharing their agenda. As a result the reality that Reform offer a reversion to Liz Truss is going way over the heads of most voters - including many who will vote for them. Perhaps for many they don’t care as long as Reform have a go at foreigners (especially brown foreigners) Meanwhile Labour and Tory serve up the sort of shrill unedifying pointless cat fight we saw in the second debate - surely turning off any sane person listening to them and the Tories just lie about Labours tax plans. It really is totally tedious. Can’t help wondering and fearing a little where our country and humanity in general are heading. To be fair Dappy I don't think we'll ever agree on anything. |
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Post by equivocal on Jun 9, 2024 15:57:11 GMT
To be fair Zany, I think Red Rackham’s views are fundamentally driven by racism. But that perhaps is a diversion. I am interested what it was in Farage’s interview that you found compelling. I didn’t see what you saw. There is no doubt that Farage is a very good communicator and a very good disruptor. He deserves to be listened to. For me though in this interview I didn’t see anything persuasive 1) Dog whistle racism towards Sunak 2) it’s all the immigrants fault 3) unfunded tax cut 4) we can sort out the NHS if only we adopted another model (but no detailed explanation of what that model is and what are it’s tradeoffs and disadvantages. I am not averse by the way to Looking at what other countries do and copying if they do it better - but this felt more like a slogan than a serious proposal 5) as did the Bank of England interest proposal which I suspect they will propose to use to “fund”all their proposals which will be far too complex for many of us understand but if there weee a no consequence free money pot, you have to assume would already have been done.It’s a strange dynamic at present with Labour having no interest in attacking Reform as it splits the right vote and Tories unable to as a significant part of their party broadly sharing their agenda. As a result the reality that Reform offer a reversion to Liz Truss is going way over the heads of most voters - including many who will vote for them. Perhaps for many they don’t care as long as Reform have a go at foreigners (especially brown foreigners) Meanwhile Labour and Tory serve up the sort of shrill unedifying pointless cat fight we saw in the second debate - surely turning off any sane person listening to them and the Tories just lie about Labours tax plans. It really is totally tedious. Can’t help wondering and fearing a little where our country and humanity in general are heading. This is something that Richard Murphy has been banging on about for some time. Link link
I believe the bank's answer to the charge that they are benefitting from an unearned windfall by saying that they would be unable to pass interest rates on to savers without this additional income. This they, and I think the BoE say, would encourage people to spend rather than save and would reduce the value of the pound resulting from an exodus of foreign investment seeking higher rates; both of these nudges tending to be inflationary requiring further base rate increases.
Although I don't normally give much credence to Mr Murphy's ideas, I think this one could have legs if the banks were required by legislation to pass on increases in base rates to their savers and limit the margins they make on lending. I think the chances of a right wing party like Reform legislating to limit bank profits are probably pretty remote. so, all in all, it looks like pie in the sky.
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Post by Zany on Jun 17, 2024 21:11:06 GMT
This seems so absurd I still feel I haven't understood.
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Post by Steve on Jun 17, 2024 23:42:29 GMT
I'm not sure anyone does but that article of the time I linked to does explain a lot.
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Post by Zany on Jun 18, 2024 6:55:50 GMT
I'm not sure anyone does but that article of the time I linked to does explain a lot. Not to me.  |
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Post by vinny on Jun 27, 2024 6:53:41 GMT
Didn't watch the interview, was out in the countryside on a zero emissions vehicle (a bicycle) getting exercise.
As I didn't watch I cannot comment on the interview.
But a one in one out immigration policy is not racist.
An immigration policy based on colour would be racist and this policy isn't.
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