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Post by Steve on Jun 6, 2024 10:29:35 GMT
We have punishment to deter others incl the criminal from committing further such acts and protecting people from further such crimes by the criminal for the duration of incarceration.
Anything other than jail until after the election would not meet those criteria.
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Post by montegriffo on Jun 6, 2024 10:29:46 GMT
Might as well throw a rock then. If you are going to jail for a harmless lactose anyway.
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Post by equivocal on Jun 6, 2024 10:43:43 GMT
Might as well throw a rock then. If you are going to jail for a harmless lactose anyway. Someone who throws a rock risks going to jail for quite a long time.
As I said, this practice (milk shakes etc.) appears to be becoming fashionable, and it's a practice that interferes with the election process, such as it is. I think it should be stopped and I think a few short custodial sentences might do the trick.
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Post by montegriffo on Jun 6, 2024 11:12:40 GMT
Throwing a drink over someone as a sign of protest is an ancient tradition. Unless you are going to create a specific crime to make politicians a protected minority you are going to fill the prisons with offenders. You would also reduce the cast of EastEnders dramatically. Personally, I think it is an appropriate way to demonstrate against fascist loons. Unless lactose is amongst the long list of Farage's intolerances it should result in nothing more than a drycleaner's bill. In a justice system where actually punching someone often results in no more than a fine jailing someone for throwing a milkshake is massively inappropriate.
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Post by equivocal on Jun 6, 2024 11:39:24 GMT
Throwing a drink over someone as a sign of protest is an ancient tradition. Unless you are going to create a specific crime to make politicians a protected minority you are going to fill the prisons with offenders. You would also reduce the cast of EastEnders dramatically. Personally, I think it is an appropriate way to demonstrate against fascist loons. Unless lactose is amongst the long list of Farage's intolerances it should result in nothing more than a drycleaner's bill. In a justice system where actually punching someone often results in no more than a fine jailing someone for throwing a milkshake is massively inappropriate. Not one I'm aware of but, even if I were, it's not one of which I'd approve.
There's no need to make politicians a protected species; any judge worth his salt knows the differences between grandstanding and a spur of the moment reaction. I really don't care if it's Farage (who is probably grateful for the additional attention) or any other politician or speaker or protestor. It's bloody silly and needs stopping.
Strangely enough, jailing is unlikely to stop people punching one another. Jailing in this case, as I said, might do the trick.
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Post by Steve on Jun 6, 2024 11:51:42 GMT
Might as well throw a rock then. If you are going to jail for a harmless lactose anyway. No because as posted that would attract a far longer sentence. Something tells me you have decided that Farage has no rights in UK law because you dislike him. Well I dislike him as much but one of the marks of a fair person is they believe in equal rights.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 6, 2024 12:08:12 GMT
What's the point in jailing someone for throwing a milkshake, when we are releasing dangerous criminals because our gaols are over capacity?
And would you gaol all people who throw milkshakes, or just those who threw at politicians, does the target make a difference?
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Post by equivocal on Jun 6, 2024 12:14:48 GMT
What's the point in jailing someone for throwing a milkshake, when we are releasing dangerous criminals because our gaols are over capacity? And would you gaol all people who throw milkshakes, or just those who threw at politicians, does the target make a difference? The mental element always makes a difference.
Beyond incapacitation, prison, generally speaking, does little to deter crime. I think it might work to deter this kind incident.
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Post by montegriffo on Jun 6, 2024 12:53:39 GMT
Might as well throw a rock then. If you are going to jail for a harmless lactose anyway. No because as posted that would attract a far longer sentence. Something tells me you have decided that Farage has no rights in UK law because you dislike him. Well I dislike him as much but one of the marks of a fair person is they believe in equal rights. I do believe in equal rights. I would have no objection to any politician, on any side, being covered in milkshake, even vegan ones.
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Post by montegriffo on Jun 6, 2024 13:01:00 GMT
Might as well throw a rock then. If you are going to jail for a harmless lactose anyway. Someone who throws a rock risks going to jail for quite a long time.
As I said, this practice (milk shakes etc.) appears to be becoming fashionable, and it's a practice that interferes with the election process, such as it is. I think it should be stopped and I think a few short custodial sentences might do the trick.
Short custodial sentences for protests create heroes not deterrents.
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Post by Steve on Jun 6, 2024 13:10:10 GMT
What's the point in jailing someone for throwing a milkshake, when we are releasing dangerous criminals because our gaols are over capacity? And would you gaol all people who throw milkshakes, or just those who threw at politicians, does the target make a difference? We should build enough prisons so we never release dangerous criminals early And yes I would jail all those that so throw milkshakes. I am sick of this 'any measure is OK if I can pretend it is protest' idiocy.
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Post by equivocal on Jun 6, 2024 14:34:40 GMT
Someone who throws a rock risks going to jail for quite a long time.
As I said, this practice (milk shakes etc.) appears to be becoming fashionable, and it's a practice that interferes with the election process, such as it is. I think it should be stopped and I think a few short custodial sentences might do the trick.
Short custodial sentences for protests create heroes not deterrents. Then we're both happy. I'm happy because I believe it will stop the practice and you're happy because you believe the enemy of your enemy is a hero.
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Post by Zany on Jun 6, 2024 16:21:37 GMT
So she has no mitigation. Alternatively if she feels that hearing political views they dislike is excuse enough to launch assaults then she needs to be locked up in a secure mental institution. First they came with the milk shakes . . . You don't know what mitigating circumstance she has. But in any case you are never going to persuade me that throwing a milkshake over someone qualifies a prison sentence What would you give if she pushed him. Boiling in oil?
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Post by Steve on Jun 6, 2024 16:25:29 GMT
Pushing someone is way less serious than leaving someone soaked in milkshake with ruined clothes after of course that moment of terror not knowing if it was a corrosive or toxic that had hit them.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 6, 2024 16:27:48 GMT
What's the point in jailing someone for throwing a milkshake, when we are releasing dangerous criminals because our gaols are over capacity? And would you gaol all people who throw milkshakes, or just those who threw at politicians, does the target make a difference? We should build enough prisons so we never release dangerous criminals early And yes I would jail all those that so throw milkshakes. I am sick of this 'any measure is OK if I can pretend it is protest' idiocy. So, if a young couple are having a row in Maccy Dees, and one throws a milkshake, you want the police to come and arrest them, present them to the magistrates court and then give them bed and breakfast at his majesty's pleasure and our expense? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for punishing people who can't behave in public (and there's lots) but I'm not sure that prison is the correct place. Perhaps Rishi's young dad's army would be more suitable?
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