|
Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 7:50:22 GMT
Did I oversleep on the day Britain became a world power again and it mattered a jot what the British Prime Minister says about Israel? It matters to Brits.
|
|
|
Post by vinny on Aug 7, 2024 8:34:43 GMT
It is possible to condemn Hamas and the Israeli government and support civilians on both sides. Spot on. And in general response to the thread, Its also possible for Sir Kier to change his mind on appropriate actions as the situation changes. Many people supported Israel's first reaction to the Hamas attack but think how they are behaving now is despicable and illegal. I knew that Netanyahu would bomb civilians (he's done it before). It is despicable and illegal.
|
|
|
Post by Amadan on Aug 12, 2024 6:48:29 GMT
We still supply them with weapons, we are still a permanent UN security council member and our votes there very much do matter. And as a Brit it matters very much to me what our Prime Minister says Arms exports to Israel are very small and easily replaceable. Our place at the UN is essentially meaningless. We are in terms of world influence a very minor player especially since we left the EU. Essentially we are a subsidiary of the US. We can realistically do or say nothing that will impact the war in Gaza. Sadly because Israel’s actions there have been appalling. This country really does need to stop dreaming of the empire, watch a few less war films and accept who we are. well said.
|
|
borgr0
Observer
+++
Posts: 1,188
|
Post by borgr0 on Aug 29, 2024 16:59:12 GMT
|
|
Steve
Hero Protagonist
Posts: 2,556
Member is Online
|
Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2024 18:26:55 GMT
They're not refugees if they're coming from a safe country, they're illegal economic migrants.
|
|
|
Post by dappy on Aug 29, 2024 18:31:53 GMT
You know that is nonsense Steve
|
|
borgr0
Observer
+++
Posts: 1,188
|
Post by borgr0 on Aug 29, 2024 19:00:25 GMT
That's your Labour party now ^
|
|
Steve
Hero Protagonist
Posts: 2,556
Member is Online
|
Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2024 19:01:19 GMT
You know that is nonsense Steve Oh the irony. I know no such thing so please desist making up nonsense imagined stories about what you suppose I know.
|
|
|
Post by dappy on Aug 29, 2024 20:29:35 GMT
It was factually wrong and has been explained on numerous occasions so I assume you do know your post was nonsense.
We can legitimately disagree and debate opinions. Facts are facts however inconvenient.
|
|
Steve
Hero Protagonist
Posts: 2,556
Member is Online
|
Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2024 20:31:50 GMT
Well the fact is you are just making up guesses about what you suppose I know.
Now please tell us what persecution you suppose someone is suffering when they are in a safe country like France.
|
|
|
Post by dappy on Aug 29, 2024 20:51:28 GMT
If you don’t know simple facts about the law on asylum by now, Steve , you really should.
It is a simple fact that people seeking asylum are not obliged to claim that asylum in the first safe country they reach.
|
|
Steve
Hero Protagonist
Posts: 2,556
Member is Online
|
Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2024 21:13:49 GMT
If you don’t know simple facts about the law on asylum by now, Steve , you really should. It is a simple fact that people seeking asylum are not obliged to claim that asylum in the first safe country they reach. No it is very much NOT such a simple fact. Various pro economic migrant groups say it is but it's a very questionable supposition and UK law (esp before 2020 and since 2022) has long rejected it.
|
|
|
Post by dappy on Aug 29, 2024 21:27:20 GMT
It is depressing that you wish to do this yet again. There are many sensible arguments to be had in respect of asylum policy. The fact that people claiming asylum are not obliged to claim that asylum in the first safe country they reach is not one of them.
|
|
Steve
Hero Protagonist
Posts: 2,556
Member is Online
|
Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2024 21:45:38 GMT
It is depressing that you wish to do this yet again. There are many sensible arguments to be had in respect of asylum policy. The fact that people claiming asylum are not obliged to claim that asylum in the first safe country they reach is not one of them. Worth a read of section 3 here researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9724/CBP-9724.pdf UK Law is clear: have passed through a safe country then not accepted as a refugee The UN say the UN Convention is clear that that's not true. I find it a hard read with all that 'As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951' stuff www.unhcr.org/media/convention-and-protocol-relating-status-refugees The common sense position is that in general someone in France is not in real fear of true persecution there and their reason to try to get to the UK is more than likely economic so they have no moral claim to asylum in the UK. I go with the common sense position.
|
|
borgr0
Observer
+++
Posts: 1,188
|
Post by borgr0 on Aug 29, 2024 21:49:53 GMT
It's also a supposedly common sense position that the EU isn't a political union
I wonder if that's Starmer's position too?
On which note, his rowing back on the EU FoI for young people is another good point to raise.
Maybe his insane law and order pledges are another thing of note? Big flip flops on those positions too really. Looks like they're getting kicked on every possible metric - with the resulting fall in polling support
|
|