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Post by dappy on Jul 10, 2024 8:11:21 GMT
Did I oversleep on the day Britain became a world power again and it mattered a jot what the British Prime Minister says about Israel?
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 9:02:54 GMT
One of Israel's staunchest ally's opinions don't matter?
People really will go to any lengths to defend this won't they?
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Post by Steve on Jul 10, 2024 9:31:57 GMT
Did I oversleep on the day Britain became a world power again and it mattered a jot what the British Prime Minister says about Israel? We still supply them with weapons, we are still a permanent UN security council member and our votes there very much do matter. And as a Brit it matters very much to me what our Prime Minister says
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Post by equivocal on Jul 10, 2024 9:47:13 GMT
That's flat out untrue, that is exactly what he said. Israel 'has the right' to withhold power and water from Gaza, says Sir Keir Starmer. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has decried the actions of Hamas as 'terrorism' and said Israel has the “right to defend herself.” LBCOut of interest, I wonder why the order of the conversation is changed in your italicized portion and why has the right is bounded by apostrophes while right to defend herself is bounded by quotation marks.
Unless I misheard the conversation, 'has the right' was actually, "has that right". While it is arguable 'that right' refers to the initial right to defence and international law refers to the water and power issue, it can also be construed as quoted above. Perhaps the author was in no doubt and decided the ordering for clarity?
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Post by dappy on Jul 10, 2024 11:17:03 GMT
Did I oversleep on the day Britain became a world power again and it mattered a jot what the British Prime Minister says about Israel? We still supply them with weapons, we are still a permanent UN security council member and our votes there very much do matter. And as a Brit it matters very much to me what our Prime Minister says Arms exports to Israel are very small and easily replaceable. Our place at the UN is essentially meaningless. We are in terms of world influence a very minor player especially since we left the EU. Essentially we are a subsidiary of the US. We can realistically do or say nothing that will impact the war in Gaza. Sadly because Israel’s actions there have been appalling. This country really does need to stop dreaming of the empire, watch a few less war films and accept who we are.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 12:23:51 GMT
That's flat out untrue, that is exactly what he said. Israel 'has the right' to withhold power and water from Gaza, says Sir Keir Starmer. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has decried the actions of Hamas as 'terrorism' and said Israel has the “right to defend herself.” LBCOut of interest, I wonder why the order of the conversation is changed in your italicized portion and why has the right is bounded by apostrophes while right to defend herself is bounded by quotation marks.
Unless I misheard the conversation, 'has the right' was actually, "has that right". While it is arguable 'that right' refers to the initial right to defence and international law refers to the water and power issue, it can also be construed as quoted above. Perhaps the author was in no doubt and decided the ordering for clarity?
Because I'm a dishonest Trump loving QAnon who loves Pol Pot and Hitler who manipulates quotes, obviously It's a combination of the title and the sub heading: www.lbc.co.uk/news/sir-keir-starmer-hamas-terrorism-israel-defend-itself/#:~:text=Leading%20Britain%27s%20Conversation-,Israel%20%27has%20the%20right%27%20to%20withhold%20power%20and%20water%20from,Gaza%2C%20says%20Sir%20Keir%20Starmer&text=Labour%20leader%20Sir%20Keir%20Starmer,%E2%80%9Cright%20to%20defend%20herself.%E2%80%9D Israel 'has the right' to withhold power and water from Gaza, says Sir Keir Starmer Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has decried the actions of Hamas as ‘terrorism’ and said Israel has the “right to defend herself.” I meant to use a - instead of a full stop to separate the two, this is how I often quote article titles to people, but feel free to insinuate dark tactics
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Post by equivocal on Jul 10, 2024 12:52:23 GMT
Out of interest, I wonder why the order of the conversation is changed in your italicized portion and why has the right is bounded by apostrophes while right to defend herself is bounded by quotation marks.
Unless I misheard the conversation, 'has the right' was actually, "has that right". While it is arguable 'that right' refers to the initial right to defence and international law refers to the water and power issue, it can also be construed as quoted above. Perhaps the author was in no doubt and decided the ordering for clarity?
Because I'm a dishonest Trump loving QAnon who loves Pol Pot and Hitler who manipulates quotes, obviously It's a combination of the title and the sub heading: www.lbc.co.uk/news/sir-keir-starmer-hamas-terrorism-israel-defend-itself/#:~:text=Leading%20Britain%27s%20Conversation-,Israel%20%27has%20the%20right%27%20to%20withhold%20power%20and%20water%20from,Gaza%2C%20says%20Sir%20Keir%20Starmer&text=Labour%20leader%20Sir%20Keir%20Starmer,%E2%80%9Cright%20to%20defend%20herself.%E2%80%9D Israel 'has the right' to withhold power and water from Gaza, says Sir Keir Starmer Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has decried the actions of Hamas as ‘terrorism’ and said Israel has the “right to defend herself.” I meant to use a - instead of a full stop to separate the two, this is how I often quote article titles to people, but feel free to insinuate dark tactics No criticism of your input to the italicized section of your post was intended (but given your admitted status ), it was clear from the link.
The issue was the change of 'that' to 'the' and the ordering.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 13:05:50 GMT
Sorry, but I didn't change any ordering whatsoever.
You are free to view the link for yourself and contrast and compare.
I verbatim copy and pasted the contents of the article title and sub-heading
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Post by equivocal on Jul 10, 2024 13:17:11 GMT
Sorry, but I didn't change any ordering whatsoever. You are free to view the link for yourself and contrast and compare. I verbatim copy and pasted the contents of the article title and sub-heading I know you made no changes - I never meant to suggest that.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 10, 2024 13:19:13 GMT
Oh ok I see what you are saying now.
My apologies for misreading you (across at least 2 posts) and falsely accusing you of accusing me ..
The intent is pretty clear, he wants to bend over for Labour Friends of Israel who think any evil thing Netanyahu does is completely and utterly justified, while Palestinian children lay in bits on the floor and I find it absolutely disgusting and horrible.
That, in a nutshell, is why I oppose Labour almost as much as I oppose the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 17:23:02 GMT
It is possible to condemn Hamas and the Israeli government and support civilians on both sides. Indeed so. But the situation is complicated by the fact that substantial numbers of citizens on both sides support the actions of the Israeli government on the one hand, and of Hamas on the other. And both sides know it.
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 25, 2024 3:23:13 GMT
Folks are gullible, what can you do
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Post by borgr0 on Jul 25, 2024 3:24:05 GMT
Supposedly, they are going to tackle MP's 2nd jobs:
Will this be like pledging to abolish the HoL since 1910 as Labour have done?
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Post by borgr0 on Aug 4, 2024 17:21:42 GMT
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Post by Zany on Aug 7, 2024 7:49:52 GMT
It is possible to condemn Hamas and the Israeli government and support civilians on both sides. Spot on. And in general response to the thread, Its also possible for Sir Kier to change his mind on appropriate actions as the situation changes. Many people supported Israel's first reaction to the Hamas attack but think how they are behaving now is despicable and illegal.
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