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Post by vinny on Jun 19, 2024 6:37:50 GMT
Yes. We have on average the second most expensive diesel in Europe.
Fourth highest electricity price in Europe on average.
House prices, mortgage costs, not considered in your arguments but a huge factor in the cost of living.
Business rent per square metre, business rates, corporation tax, not considered.
The UK has complex problems requiring complex actions.
Rejoining the EU wouldn't address the issues I have raised.
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Post by Zany on Jun 19, 2024 7:25:22 GMT
Yes. We have on average the second most expensive diesel in Europe. Fourth highest electricity price in Europe on average. House prices, mortgage costs, not considered in your arguments but a huge factor in the cost of living. Business rent per square metre, business rates, corporation tax, not considered. The UK has complex problems requiring complex actions. Rejoining the EU wouldn't address the issues I have raised. Now if you'd started with Business rent and housing costs, you'd have got an instant ally. And yes I agree joining the EU wouldn't solve them, but leaving didn't either. So when you're talking about Brexit one assumes you blame the EU.
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Post by Steve on Jun 19, 2024 22:10:18 GMT
You're ignoring all other factors. Especially the point about energy and logistics costs. And fuel prices are very high too. This doesn't just impact domestic customers but businesses as well. More needs doing to cut fuel costs. With cheaper energy and fuel, doing business here will be better. Also tax is a factor. This idea that being out of the EU means disaster is nonsense. Norway isn't in the EU, Switzerland isn't, most of the developed world isn't. Will you please stop this disingenuous posting. I didn't claim Brexit was a 'disaster' but as is it is a problem we could do without and one you obviously can't deny with you only being able it isn't as bad as a 'disaster'. Norway and Sweden you mention are in the EEA which means they have to accept a whole raft of EU rules including freedom of movement.
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Post by vinny on Jun 20, 2024 5:07:28 GMT
Sweden is in the EU. Norway is in EFTA, and the EEA agreement which is less comprehensive than our FTA with the EU. Switzerland isn't in the EEA agreement but is in EFTA.
Regarding agriculture, our government is responsible for subsidies. If agriculture needs subsidies provide on a means tested basis.
I'm not sure hill farming is good for the hills and the environment. There's some evidence linking hill farming to flooding because water comes off the hills too quickly without sufficient trees and shrubs.
Our government is responsible for subsidies, rightly or wrongly they decided to make environmentalism part of the agricultural policy.
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Post by Steve on Jun 20, 2024 9:19:49 GMT
Why I typed Sweden for Switzerland I know not.
But the point remains Norway and Switzerland accept via the EEA all those rules you won't to get those advantages of free trading with the EU. So you cannot claim them as examples of how we could be better off outside the EU than we were in it. Not least because Norway made it clear it would not let us into the EEA.
You've harmed the UK, you should be apologising
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Post by vinny on Jun 20, 2024 11:48:21 GMT
Switzerland is not in the EEA it has bilateral agreements. Again, a less comprehensive arrangement than we have. Financial services are included in our deal. Financial services are not included in the EEA agreement or the bilaterals of Switzerland.
We have regained sovereignty. We're outside the crap situation that the CAP imposed on us.
We're exporting more goods and services around the world.
Our trade with the USA and with the EU is healthy. Our real problems are to do with energy costs, not the lack of EU membership.
We aren't generating enough electricity, and the uptake of electric vehicles is placing additional strain on the national grid resulting in higher prices. France has a huge amount of nuclear power stations, we don't.
We need to build more power stations.
And the war in Ukraine has pushed up fuel costs due to necessary sanctions against Russia. That impacts logistics costs and our fuel costs. Logistics costs affect shop prices.
The same thing would have happened if we'd stayed in.
No Bregrets from me.
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Post by Steve on Jun 20, 2024 13:59:05 GMT
Switzerland is not in the EEA it has bilateral agreements. . . . Yes it's in EFTA but those bilaterals are comprehensive and have virtually the same effect
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Post by Steve on Jun 20, 2024 14:04:15 GMT
Switzerland is not in the EEA it has bilateral agreements. Again, a less comprehensive arrangement than we have. Financial services are included in our deal. Financial services are not included in the EEA agreement . . . . Wrong!.. very wrong www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2017/599267/EPRS_BRI(2017)599267_EN.pdf'Companies established in any European Economic Area (EEA) Member State have access to the single market for financial services under single passport rights. This means that they can establish branches in other EEA countries or provide financial services across the EEA without the need for further authorisation.'Why else do you think those Icelandic banks were able to sell their dodgy wares in the UK?
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Post by vinny on Jun 20, 2024 18:58:09 GMT
Ok, my mistake it's the Swiss who don't have passporting of financial services. shepwedd.com/sites/default/files/Swiss_Model_Brexit.pdfI do recall David Cameron at the time of the referendum debate going to great lengths to slag off the Norway option. His comments were nearly nine years ago.
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