Steve
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2024 23:55:33 GMT
I didn't say you did
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Post by Saint on Sept 23, 2024 0:04:47 GMT
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Post by Orac on Sept 23, 2024 17:51:07 GMT
That is NOT socialism. Social is something like you see in Sweden. Communism requires joint ownership of the means of production. . . No Communism is common ownership of everything, no private possesions just temporary custodianship where that suits the collective need. It doesn't work. ..and it doesn't work for very easy to understand reasons. When people make that high-handed faint praise criticism that 'it works on paper, but not in reality', they really are talking out of their hat. It doesn't work on paper or in reality. No doubt millions more will die in yet another audacious attempt to prove water really does run uphill or that people will spend day in day out doing something they don't want to just so their neighbors can sit sunning themselves all day. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 23, 2024 19:07:21 GMT
I spent some time in East Germany. I spoke to many older Germans about their time under communist (socialist?) rule. I always asked which they preferred - how things are now or how they were before the wall came down. They all answered the same: how things are today. But none of them answered immediately. They always took some time to consider their answer. Nobody said 'how things are today' without hesitation.
There are lots of things they miss about their old way of life. Life was less stressful, they didn't have to worry about unemployment or housing, excellent child care was provided, and there was much more family time.
I suppose the trick would be to combine the best of both systems.
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Post by Orac on Sept 24, 2024 8:29:23 GMT
I spent some time in East Germany. I spoke to many older Germans about their time under communist (socialist?) rule. I always asked which they preferred - how things are now or how they were before the wall came down. They all answered the same: how things are today. But none of them answered immediately. They always took some time to consider their answer. Nobody said 'how things are today' without hesitation. There are lots of things they miss about their old way of life. Life was less stressful, they didn't worry about unemployment or housing, excellent child care was provided, and there was much more family time. I suppose the trick would be to combine the best of both systems. This is interesting and i have no doubt it is the case. This is similar to "the blitz effect" - rations, bombs and sheltering in underground stations don't sound like very inviting prospects, but many people who went through it say they actually miss aspects of it. Similarly with many veterans who recall their time spent in conflict as being some of the most fulfilling they had. Socialism gave people a family of sorts - but it is interesting to note that this effect is not restricted to socialism. It happens when you have a community with a shared, meaningful story. The trouble with your last statement is the vagueness. Two people could agree with the statement and disagree entirely on what it meant. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 24, 2024 23:34:48 GMT
I spent some time in East Germany. I spoke to many older Germans about their time under communist (socialist?) rule. I always asked which they preferred - how things are now or how they were before the wall came down. They all answered the same: how things are today. But none of them answered immediately. They always took some time to consider their answer. Nobody said 'how things are today' without hesitation. There are lots of things they miss about their old way of life. Life was less stressful, they didn't worry about unemployment or housing, excellent child care was provided, and there was much more family time. I suppose the trick would be to combine the best of both systems. This is interesting and i have no doubt it is the case. This is similar to "the blitz effect" - rations, bombs and sheltering in underground stations don't sound like very inviting prospects, but many people who went through it say they actually miss aspects of it. Similarly with many veterans who recall their time spent in conflict as being some of the most fulfilling they had. Socialism gave people a family of sorts - but it is interesting to note that this effect is not restricted to socialism. It happens when you have a community with a shared, meaningful story. The trouble with your last statement is the vagueness. Two people could agree with the statement and disagree entirely on what it meant. I'm quite sure those I spoke to didn't mean to suggest that their lives had been comparable to those who lived under the Blitz or experienced mortal combat. |
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