Winter Fuel Allowance

yep. Haven't you read all the reports of cables being landed from Scottish sources in Yorkshire and northumberland , keir starmer waffling about GB energy because energy ir reserved to the high head yins in Westminster , but not controlled by the plebs in scotland . all the usual shite.

The mystery of why we are told scotland cant stand on its own two feet , unlike the other 65 countries who left Westminster rule , but england won't let us go deepens.......

Oh dear, I never said Scotland had 2m pensioners, I said 2 million will suffer according to Age UK's calculations and then clearly stated facts about England vis a vis Scotland. Now you can point out where I said or insinuated in my post that Scotland had 2 million pensioners

Do you ever get tired of playing 'gotcha'?

Scotland is part of the UK, you're not sending anything to anyone. You even voted to be part of the UK.

Yes, in response to my number for Scotland. Its generally considered polite when answering someone's post to read it first.

I agree, times change. Yet the polls still indicate no desire to leave. When they do (just like with the EU referendum) I will be calling for a second vote. 

At the moment you are in the UK, giving nothing to England. 

again you are being a bit disingenuous .When you say no great desire to leave , I totally disagree.

Since John swinney became first minister there have been twelve indy polls , averaging 47.5% yes , and 52.5% no.

That represent a great desire to leave , if not a majority. However , to put this into context , back in 2012 , after the Edinburgh agreement had been signed , polls were showing averages of mid twenty per cent  , and the result on the day was 45% .

We currently have 47.5% without any campaigning. , or any great support for the new snp and unity among yes groups.

 

I am not condoning the thinking when I say any of this by the way but I know what these Labour centrist types are like and how they think. They are coldly calculating when it comes to their popularity. They are no doubt aware that a majority of pensioners now making up the baby boomer generation never vote for them. And that the minority who do will tend to be the poorest ones on pension credit. So they know that the pensioners and their media backers will kick up a stink but the ones being hit rarely vote for them anyway. Meanwhile, millions of younger workers who often feel that they are slaving their guts out just to survive whilst pensioners enjoy a much more generous safety net funded by them might well approve. 

In short they have probably realised there will be a lot of sound and fury but probably believe they have more to gain than to lose politically by doing this. That thought process might well prove to be wrong but I suspect that is their thinking.

And if you are going to be cynically calculating, if you want to be seen to be making tough choices, far better to hit the ones who never vote for you than the ones who might, especially if you can claim to be protecting the poorest, who fortuitously enough are the ones more likely to vote for you.

Fact is the under 50s are far more likely to vote Labour than pensioners. It is these working age voters they are after. There is probably also a degree of malice involved in that many metropolitan liberal Labour centrists have come to regard too many of the baby boomers as unreconstructed gammons, whom they have psychologically given up on appealing to. Back when I used to frequent Labour party forums I heard that sort of thing often. Working class pensioners who were not university educated in particular were often regarded as thickoes, all assumed to be like Jonksy. 

I still remember my time in the party and have inside knowledge on how they think and what they really think.