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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2024 4:37:08 GMT
Looks like Lab have scrapped that, but complained about Tories plunging pensioners into poverty. At least they should replace it with something else targeted towards the poorest? This is pretty morally indefensible if they don't do that - and I've seen no sign they plan to (unless someone can correct the record?) Watch this There's understandably quite a big petition against this too - link
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 15, 2024 11:15:29 GMT
Looks like Lab have scrapped that, but complained about Tories plunging pensioners into poverty. At least they should replace it with something else targeted towards the poorest? This is pretty morally indefensible if they don't do that - and I've seen no sign they plan to (unless someone can correct the record?) Watch this There's understandably quite a big petition against this too - link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2024 21:35:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 1:25:33 GMT
Those who are on meagre private pensions will suffer badly
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 21, 2024 8:45:18 GMT
Those who are on meagre private pensions will suffer badly What would you say is a meagre private pension and how do you determine that they will suffer badly? |
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Post by dappy on Aug 21, 2024 9:45:02 GMT
This seems a sensible move in reality although a difficult one politically. In days of very tight government finances, it is crazy for the government to be making handouts to affluent people just because they are elderly while sensible too to be helping out those people financially struggling. Inevitably there will be some just the wrong side of whatever line is drawn. Not sure how that could be avoided without very administratively expensive tapering.
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Post by Steve on Aug 21, 2024 10:31:54 GMT
This seems a sensible move in reality although a difficult one politically. In days of very tight government finances, it is crazy for the government to be making handouts to affluent people just because they are elderly while sensible too to be helping out those people financially struggling. Inevitably there will be some just the wrong side of whatever line is drawn. Not sure how that could be avoided without very administratively expensive tapering. As I said on the pre-existing thread on the issue: transfer this silly payment to Universal/Pension Credit then the admin is already in place |
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Post by equivocal on Aug 21, 2024 11:03:03 GMT
This seems a sensible move in reality although a difficult one politically. In days of very tight government finances, it is crazy for the government to be making handouts to affluent people just because they are elderly while sensible too to be helping out those people financially struggling. Inevitably there will be some just the wrong side of whatever line is drawn. Not sure how that could be avoided without very administratively expensive tapering. It's certainly, in my opinion, the right thing to do. Hopefully it will lead to those pensioners entitled to pension credit and not receiving it making appropriate claims.
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Post by Steve on Aug 21, 2024 11:31:51 GMT
This seems a sensible move in reality although a difficult one politically. In days of very tight government finances, it is crazy for the government to be making handouts to affluent people just because they are elderly while sensible too to be helping out those people financially struggling. Inevitably there will be some just the wrong side of whatever line is drawn. Not sure how that could be avoided without very administratively expensive tapering. It's certainly, in my opinion, the right thing to do. Hopefully it will lead to those pensioners entitled to pension credit and not receiving it making appropriate claims.
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Post by equivocal on Aug 21, 2024 11:36:22 GMT
It's certainly, in my opinion, the right thing to do. Hopefully it will lead to those pensioners entitled to pension credit and not receiving it making appropriate claims.
Which ironically might wipe out a lot of the saving Reeves was looking for I think it's about £4bn in unclaimed pension credit against a £1.4bn saving on fuel allwance. It will probably end up as a wash, but I think it was the right thing to do. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 21, 2024 11:41:51 GMT
I agree
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 14:52:27 GMT
Those who are on meagre private pensions will suffer badly What would you say is a meagre private pension and how do you determine that they will suffer badly? If you're not on state benefits and receive a miniscule pension and can barely afford to heat your home, or even can't afford to do so, you should get the WFA and those who don't get it will suffer. Those who are entitled to state pension but don't get it will suffer terribly if not on other state benefits, that is wrong. I've seen only hostile actions from Labour's DWP so far, they seem unlikely to help matters, they want austerity and they want to save money. That's very Tory like. Sad to see such things being endorsed on here (not by you) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 15:09:53 GMT
Even some in Labour think this is pushing pensioners into poverty www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gdlpe1egdoEven Labour's own think that, do their voices matter being that they are from Wales, distant from Westminster and not of a Home Counties upbringing I wonder? |
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Post by dappy on Aug 21, 2024 15:51:02 GMT
There is always much rhetoric. Is it more important in your view for the state to spend its resources on subsidising fuel bills for people in a strong financial position just because they are old or instead use those resources for people of whatever age who are struggling financially.
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Post by AvonCalling on Aug 21, 2024 15:56:11 GMT
What would you say is a meagre private pension and how do you determine that they will suffer badly? If you're not on state benefits and receive a miniscule pension and can barely afford to heat your home, or even can't afford to do so, you should get the WFA and those who don't get it will suffer. Those who are entitled to state pension but don't get it will suffer terribly if not on other state benefits, that is wrong. I've seen only hostile actions from Labour's DWP so far, they seem unlikely to help matters, they want austerity and they want to save money. That's very Tory like. Sad to see such things being endorsed on here (not by you) I am not “convinced” the state pension is miniscule. I looked at this recently as I was thinking about retiring and worked out that the state pension is not far off what I live on anyway. There are a few mitigating factors…I am very tight. I have a very low mortgage. I drive a tiny car. It’s probably worth while looking at international pension comparisons if that is possible. Has anybody seen any worked examples about hwo people will suffer? My understanding was that this was about removing handouts to “wealthy pensioners” to buy votes (pensioners disproportionately vote Tory IIRC) but I am not denying that there may be some people who suffer and that it sounds like some tweeking would be necessary to avoid some “terrible injustices” |
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