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Post by vinny on Aug 20, 2024 8:54:01 GMT
You're right, it's still very serious at the moment. But cutting the logistics of the enemy is vital otherwise A lot more innocent people will be killed and displaced. I just can't see how this incursion by Ukraine is interdicting the supply chains to the Russian Armies in the Donbas Airbases have been hit. And a lot is not being discussed because of operational secrecy. I would expect the Ukrainians to be working on cutting supplies to Donbas as well.
They have also hit logistics targets in Crimea.
One big problem at the moment is the deal Putin did with Kim Jong Un for artillery shells.
Those will be coming into Donbas from Rostov on Don.
If the Ukrainians can take Rostov, they can cut off the invaders in Donbas from both directions.
But they need their backs clear first otherwise they will be vulnerable to a pincer attack themselves.
Kursk was not defended, Putin didn't expect it to be attacked.
So now Ukraine are in Russia, able to cause havoc.
They could even push to Moscow!
Wagner Group showed just how vulnerable Russia itself is.
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Post by Steve on Aug 20, 2024 9:49:14 GMT
Exactly Kursk was not properly defended. Only a fool bets a country's future that the Donbas incursion by Russia is similar
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Post by vinny on Aug 20, 2024 10:10:18 GMT
Donbas incursion has the bulk of all Russian tanks and artillery now. It's hemorrhaging Russian equipment because Ukraine is well defended too.
It's possible that the path to Moscow was undefended prior to two weeks ago and that the Russians are hastily rushing now to prevent Ukraine from taking Moscow. But to do that, Russia would have to leave other paths undefended.
Ukraine need to cause as much chaos for Putin as possible so that he cannot keep his forces in Donbas equipped.
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Post by Steve on Aug 20, 2024 12:14:54 GMT
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Post by vinny on Aug 20, 2024 15:35:59 GMT
1918.... The Germans were using the Von Schlieffen plan the whole of WW1.  I think the Ludendorff offensive was based on this. They did get quite close to Paris before running out of steam. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 24, 2024 9:02:42 GMT
I have no neat and simple way to untangle an impossible situation created by halfwits? This is very much like the immigration debate. Our first and primary consideration is to deal with our leadership. Ukraine will in the meantime became an epic disaster - there is no stopping it. I always envy the position of mud thrower, stand on the side lines saying they got it all wrong without offering any solution. Its not a position I am able to take. I'm not standing on the sidelines.I'm warning people that they should prepare for their standard of living to reduce dramatically because buffoons / saboteurs have penetrated and hijacker west's leadership. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 24, 2024 9:07:03 GMT
I always envy the position of mud thrower, stand on the side lines saying they got it all wrong without offering any solution. Its not a position I am able to take. I'm standing on the sidelines.I'm warning people that they should prepare for their standard of living to reduce dramatically because buffoons / saboteurs have penetrated and hijacker west's leadership. Yes, shouting warnings, not solutions. Singularly unhelpful. |
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 24, 2024 9:29:05 GMT
I always envy the position of mud thrower, stand on the side lines saying they got it all wrong without offering any solution. Its not a position I am able to take. I'm not standing on the sidelines.I'm warning people that they should prepare for their standard of living to reduce dramatically because buffoons / saboteurs have penetrated and hijacker west's leadership. What you call 'standard of living' I call overconsumption and waste. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 24, 2024 10:48:22 GMT
And another thread gets hijacked onto this absurd belief in some international criminal conspiracy of governments over immigration  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 13:28:44 GMT
I'm not standing on the sidelines.I'm warning people that they should prepare for their standard of living to reduce dramatically because buffoons / saboteurs have penetrated and hijacker west's leadership. What you call 'standard of living' I call overconsumption and waste. In some ways very true, but in other ways it can be argued necessary, for example the amount of air con that's used here in the USA seems excessive at times - until you go out into the southern heat and realize it really is necessary, or people would cook alive |
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Post by Zany on Aug 24, 2024 14:58:12 GMT
What you call 'standard of living' I call overconsumption and waste. In some ways very true, but in other ways it can be argued necessary, for example the amount of air con that's used here in the USA seems excessive at times - until you go out into the southern heat and realize it really is necessary, or people would cook aliveNow there's an advert for stopping climate change. Of course America is big and empty enough for those people to move north to more comfortable climes.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 14:59:40 GMT
In some ways very true, but in other ways it can be argued necessary, for example the amount of air con that's used here in the USA seems excessive at times - until you go out into the southern heat and realize it really is necessary, or people would cook aliveNow there's an advert for stopping climate change. Of course America is big and empty enough for those people to move north to more comfortable climes. People shouldn't have to move out of the area they grew up in and knew all their lives. Whatever next? Telling people who live in Indonesia they should just move if they don't like, nevermind that's their home and generations have lived there? Up sticks and move if you don't like it. I really am against that thinking. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 15:00:56 GMT
The better way to fix the problem would be to find greener ways of cooling, rather than using wasteful air con (I try to turn ours down whenever I can, my wife hates that) and rather than being cruel and telling people to leave if they don't like it
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Post by Zany on Aug 24, 2024 15:13:24 GMT
Now there's an advert for stopping climate change. Of course America is big and empty enough for those people to move north to more comfortable climes. People shouldn't have to move out of the area they grew up in and knew all their lives. Whatever next? Telling people who live in Indonesia they should just move if they don't like, nevermind that's their home and generations have lived there? Up sticks and move if you don't like it. I really am against that thinking. The world should be perfect and global warming shouldn't exist. But shucks it isn't. Of course my point is that they shouldn't move but that simply ignoring the problem of Co2 pollution is not an answer unless you want to have to move. Weirdly I have spoken to people you think exactly that, but never in their home country, usually its Africa, they wave the vague idea that as Africa becomes uninhabitable so Siberia thaws and becomes habitable, as if people could simply uproot from Khartoum and move to Vorkuta. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 15:16:27 GMT
People shouldn't have to move out of the area they grew up in and knew all their lives. Whatever next? Telling people who live in Indonesia they should just move if they don't like, nevermind that's their home and generations have lived there? Up sticks and move if you don't like it. I really am against that thinking. The world should be perfect and global warming shouldn't exist. But shucks it isn't. Of course my point is that they shouldn't move but that simply ignoring the problem of Co2 pollution is not an answer unless you want to have to move. Weirdly I have spoken to people you think exactly that, but never in their home country, usually its Africa, they wave the vague idea that as Africa becomes uninhabitable so Siberia thaws and becomes habitable, as if people could simply uproot from Khartoum and move to Vorkuta. I would like to have remained in England myself, I'm a perfect case study in the fact people shouldn't have to move out of where they grew up and knew all their lives. I strongly am against the way London has been gentrified and many forced out, that's how I ended up in Hastings - and from there basically, thanks to circumstances the only option was to move to the USA. You're right, life isn't ideal and people shouldn't be forced to leave their home countries, so let's try to change that instead of being cynical and cruel about the whole thing. |
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