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Post by dappy on Aug 11, 2024 7:53:21 GMT
Blimey Zany. That’s a conspiracy theory worthy of Rackham.
If you are looking for a large crowd of people in Vienna to commit a dreadful act, a Taylor Swift concert seems a good opportunity. There is as far as I know no reason to believe that the Southport attack was in any way Islamist. I suspect a major contributor to that awful incident will turn out to be the appalling state of our mental health services.
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Post by Zany on Aug 11, 2024 8:06:55 GMT
Blimey Zany. That’s a conspiracy theory worthy of Rackham. If you are looking for a large crowd of people in Vienna to commit a dreadful act, a Taylor Swift concert seems a good opportunity. There is as far as I know no reason to believe that the Southport attack was in any way Islamist. I suspect a major contributor to that awful incident will turn out to be the appalling state of our mental health services. Well I'm not after it being Muslim extremist, (and I would still not think the rioting was a just reaction even if it was) But fact is to date we have NO information on why this guy attacked a children's dance class. You might argue that if that information had been released quickly the rumour mongers could not have stirred up so much hatred. Anyway, I digress. I like facts where possible, (No matter how uncomfortable) so my start point was a Taylor Swift connection, as I said its probably nothing, just wondered if there was.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2024 8:28:56 GMT
Just heard that the Dance party in Southport was a Taylor Swift themed one. This leads me to ask is there a common factor with the attempted bombing of Swifts concert in Vienna. Does anyone here know why ISIS (Muslim extremists) might hate Taylor Swift. I can't find anything about WHY the Vienna attack was planned. Probably just coincidence. Le me put it like this It is not impossible that it is a coincidence, it's just straining credibility a fair bit. Bear in mind that attempts to murder children en mass are not that common. My understanding is the Southport attacker arrived by car. So he packed a knife and drove somewhere to commit the crime.It is very weird that in this singular event, the attacker just happens to (presumably randomly?) drive to a Taylor Swift themed event. You could probably work out the rough odds but you would only be able to do it to the nearest order of magnitude because they are so small In the meantime the police have assured the public that this event is not related to terrorism
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Post by Zany on Aug 11, 2024 8:43:57 GMT
Just heard that the Dance party in Southport was a Taylor Swift themed one. This leads me to ask is there a common factor with the attempted bombing of Swifts concert in Vienna. Does anyone here know why ISIS (Muslim extremists) might hate Taylor Swift. I can't find anything about WHY the Vienna attack was planned. Probably just coincidence. Le me put it like this It is not impossible that it is a coincidence, it's just straining credibility a fair bit. Bear in mind that attempts to murder children en mass are not that common. My understanding is the Southport attacker arrived by car. So he packed a knife and drove somewhere to commit the crime.It is very weird that in this singular event, the attacker just happens to (presumably randomly?) drive to a Taylor Swift themed event. You could probably work out the rough odds but you would only be able to do it to the nearest order of magnitude because they are so small In the meantime the police have assured the public that this event is not related to terrorism Do you know of any reason why Taylor Swift would be a particular target for Extremists.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2024 8:51:42 GMT
Le me put it like this It is not impossible that it is a coincidence, it's just straining credibility a fair bit. Bear in mind that attempts to murder children en mass are not that common. My understanding is the Southport attacker arrived by car. So he packed a knife and drove somewhere to commit the crime.It is very weird that in this singular event, the attacker just happens to (presumably randomly?) drive to a Taylor Swift themed event. You could probably work out the rough odds but you would only be able to do it to the nearest order of magnitude because they are so small In the meantime the police have assured the public that this event is not related to terrorism Do you know of any reason why Taylor Swift would be a particular target for Extremists. No. But the times uses the plural - ie concerts rather than concert, suggesting strongly that she is. I will look into it. However, even several people attacking the same concert suggests that she is a focus on some level - ie there is a plan abroad in these circles. If we really are talking about the odds of two independent mass child killers, both randomly and independently landing on Taylor Swift - they aren't good either
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Post by Zany on Aug 11, 2024 9:03:03 GMT
Searched a lot this morning, I find no link beyond the idea that attacking Taylor Swift events at this time would get global media interest.
Does this mean the Southport attack is not linked?
Not at all, it proves nothing either way. But even if it was connected all it does is say there was a Muslim extremist involved. Its not as if we don't know there are Muslim extremists.
Does it justify the rioting and theft, can't see how in any way. Unless you are one of the loonies that thinks if you stop more Muslims living here you will stop the Muslim terrorism. . Orac likes percentages (Odds) well there are 4,000,000 Muslims in the UK and a few hundred active extremists That's 1 in 20,000. Hardly fair to condemn a whole religion for such a tiny number.
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Post by Steve on Aug 11, 2024 9:13:53 GMT
As you've been told before, you have copied and pasted from a BBC article that is talking bollocks because it omits key words so giving a very false statement. So that's the meaning of that No, you have accused me of "carefully omitting key words for false effect." Not the BBC of "carefully omitting key words for false effect." The meaning of those two statements is completely different and would illicit very different answers. Because you continued to omit them after being told what the true words were - that was a deliberate act by you. The BBC could plead incompetence.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2024 9:14:17 GMT
Searched a lot this morning, I find no link beyond the idea that attacking Taylor Swift events at this time would get global media interest. Does this mean the Southport attack is not linked? Not at all, it proves nothing either way. But even if it was connected all it does is say there was a Muslim extremist involved. Its not as if we don't know there are Muslim extremists.. You seem to me to be focusing on the wrong things. "Muslim extremist" is just a practical political category. It is not possible to independently and objectively verify that a person is, or is not, definitely a Muslim. You can only come up with a likelihood based on their behavior and statements - ie a sliding scale of likelihood. If someone (anyone) is motivated to pursue the homicidal aims of a group like ISIS, then they are for all practical political purposes 'a Muslim extremist', even if they don't appear to own a prayer mat.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2024 9:19:15 GMT
Does it justify the rioting and theft, can't see how in any way. Unless you are one of the loonies that thinks if you stop more Muslims living here you will stop the Muslim terrorism. . Orac likes percentages (Odds) well there are 4,000,000 Muslims in the UK and a few hundred active extremists That's 1 in 20,000. Hardly fair to condemn a whole religion for such a tiny number. Let me rephrase one of those - "One of those LOONIES who believes that if Muslims are not in your territory, they have less opportunity to attack your people"This is a weird kind lunacy that looks exactly like plain common sense I didn't say it justified rioting. However, If a botched arrest leading to a death can justify riots, surely mass child murder can as well?
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 11, 2024 9:22:47 GMT
Does it justify the rioting and theft, can't see how in any way. Unless you are one of the loonies that thinks if you stop more Muslims living here you will stop the Muslim terrorism. . Orac likes percentages (Odds) well there are 4,000,000 Muslims in the UK and a few hundred active extremists That's 1 in 20,000. Hardly fair to condemn a whole religion for such a tiny number. This is all just triggered reflex Let me rephrase one of those - "One of those LOONIES who believes that if Muslims are not in your territory, they have less opportunity to attack your people"This is a weird kind lunacy that looks exactly like plain common sense Are you calling for the deportation of all Muslims then? I believe the tangerine Mussolini tried that in the US and it was ruled illegal.
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Post by Steve on Aug 11, 2024 9:25:58 GMT
I didn't say it justified rioting. However, If a botched arrest leading to a death can justify riots, surely mass child murder can as well? Who said such an arrest justified riots? No one I know. It might be part of explaining them. Insurrection is only justified against a dictatorship or other denial of basic democracy.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2024 9:42:03 GMT
This is all just triggered reflex Let me rephrase one of those - "One of those LOONIES who believes that if Muslims are not in your territory, they have less opportunity to attack your people"This is a weird kind lunacy that looks exactly like plain common sense Are you calling for the deportation of all Muslims then? I believe the tangerine Mussolini tried that in the US and it was ruled illegal. No. But my position here doesn't change the logic. Far from being lunatic, it is patently obvious that having a large Muslim population in your territory affords more opportunity for your people to be attacked by Muslims
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Post by Steve on Aug 11, 2024 9:45:33 GMT
Just like having Tommee supporters in your area gives more opportunity to be attacked by far right neanderthals.
Except of course Muslims in the Uk are overwhelmingly peaceful and Tommee thickos are the opposite.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2024 9:54:18 GMT
Just like having Tommee supporters in your area gives more opportunity to be attacked by far right neanderthals. Or to be more pertinent and generalised -- Importing large number of Muslims into the country, affords more opportunity for native British to attack them.
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Post by montegriffo on Aug 11, 2024 10:12:15 GMT
Are you calling for the deportation of all Muslims then? I believe the tangerine Mussolini tried that in the US and it was ruled illegal. No. But my position here doesn't change the logic. Far from being lunatic, it is patently obvious that having a large Muslim population in your territory affords more opportunity for your people to be attacked by Muslims As does having a large Catholic population increase the chances of being attacked by Catholics. The argument also works for Buddhists, Quakers and all other religions. Statistically, and therefore logically, you are far more likely to have been a victim of either Catholic or Protestant terrorism than Muslim terrorism. I say we deport all people who are in any way religious, just to be sure.
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