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Post by Steve on Aug 9, 2024 14:43:37 GMT
The manifesto did not contain that promise - as patiently explained above you are carefully omitting key words for false effect. Just because you hear what you think was a clear promise does not mean that was what was said. And it's what was said that matters when you want to make big allegations.
And what Cameron said was not at an election (it was actually to Conservative members) and did not then say tens of thousands or even this imagined 'order of magnitude'. So no betrayal of promises to get elected. As 2021 showed us we struggled with low levels of immigration so we couldn't manage with too low a target.
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Post by Zany on Aug 9, 2024 15:13:36 GMT
The manifesto did not contain that promise - as patiently explained above you are carefully omitting key words for false effect. Just because you hear what you think was a clear promise does not mean that was what was said. And it's what was said that matters when you want to make big allegations. And what Cameron said was not at an election (it was actually to Conservative members) and did not then say tens of thousands or even this imagined 'order of magnitude'. So no betrayal of promises to get elected. As 2021 showed us we struggled with low levels of immigration so we couldn't manage with too low a target. I quoted the BBC article verbatim. Here's a picture of it is it helps Do tell me the key words I carefully omitted for false effect. Or feel free to apologise.
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Post by Steve on Aug 9, 2024 18:34:52 GMT
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Post by Zany on Aug 9, 2024 19:18:21 GMT
So you're back to "taking steps" as a meaningless platitude. TBH sounds about right for the Tories. Words games there fans enjoy. From the manifesto: But immigration today is too high and needs to be reduced. We do not need to attract people to do jobs that could be carried out by British citizens, given the right training and support. So we will take steps to take net migration back to the levels of the 1990s – tens of thousands a year, not hundreds of thousands. Ooh goodness same as the BBC said. Only difference is we all took "we will take steps to take net migration back to the levels of the 1990s – tens of thousands a year, not hundreds of thousands." To mean they would "take steps to take net migration back to the levels of the 1990s – tens of thousands a year, not hundreds of thousands"
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Post by Steve on Aug 9, 2024 19:25:30 GMT
So do you need me to explain YET AGAIN what the 'we will take steps to' means?
Or do you need me to explain that they were NOT elected on that manifesto?
Or that they didn't give a date?
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Post by Zany on Aug 9, 2024 20:38:12 GMT
So do you need me to explain YET AGAIN what the 'we will take steps to' means? Or do you need me to explain that they were NOT elected on that manifesto? Or that they didn't give a date? Oh know I think I've got the gist
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Post by Steve on Aug 9, 2024 20:55:49 GMT
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Post by Zany on Aug 9, 2024 21:29:17 GMT
Does it mention doing 14 years of the opposite first? Or is that just a Tory thing.
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Post by Steve on Aug 10, 2024 8:03:57 GMT
The whole point these last pages is you trying to defend Orac's malicious untruth saying an international criminal conspiracy got us where we are by amongst other things making a wild 'orders of magnitude' promise to get elected that they supposedly promptly betrayed.
It was never true, it was always a set wild exaggerations of the truth that 14 years of Tory dominated governments have been woeful at this,
But criminal conspiracy and deliberate betrayal? Nope. And I will defend anyone from attack by false instrument. A
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Post by Zany on Aug 10, 2024 8:06:48 GMT
The whole point these last pages is you trying to defend Orac's malicious untruth saying an international criminal conspiracy got us where we are by amongst other things making a wild 'orders of magnitude' promise to get elected that they supposedly promptly betrayed. It was never true, it was always a set wild exaggerations of the truth that 14 years of Tory dominated governments have been woeful at this, But criminal conspiracy and deliberate betrayal? Nope. And I will defend anyone from attack by false instrument. A Well now it got lost in you trying to claim the Tories never made promises to reduce immigration. Don't think Oracs claim garnered much support of its own.
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Post by Steve on Aug 10, 2024 8:08:54 GMT
And there you go again twisting my words.
I never so claimed, you know that.
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Post by Zany on Aug 10, 2024 8:19:57 GMT
And there you go again twisting my words. I never so claimed, you know that. You have accused me of "carefully omitting key words for false effect." very insulting without ever backing up your claim. You have skipped my posts addressing this and avoided answering the questions I post a third time below. So, NO I don't know that. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain the meaning of In 2010, the Conservative Party's general election manifesto contained a promise to get net migration down to the "tens of thousands a year". One year later, former prime minister David Cameron pledged: " Our borders will be under control and immigration will be at levels our country can manage. No ifs. No buts."
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Post by Steve on Aug 10, 2024 23:18:54 GMT
As you've been told before, you have copied and pasted from a BBC article that is talking bollocks because it omits key words so giving a very false statement.
So that's the meaning of that
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Post by Zany on Aug 11, 2024 6:51:16 GMT
As you've been told before, you have copied and pasted from a BBC article that is talking bollocks because it omits key words so giving a very false statement. So that's the meaning of that No, you have accused me of "carefully omitting key words for false effect." Not the BBC of "carefully omitting key words for false effect." The meaning of those two statements is completely different and would illicit very different answers.
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Post by Zany on Aug 11, 2024 7:29:01 GMT
Just heard that the Dance party in Southport was a Taylor Swift themed one. This leads me to ask is there a common factor with the attempted bombing of Swifts concert in Vienna.
Does anyone here know why ISIS (Muslim extremists) might hate Taylor Swift. I can't find anything about WHY the Vienna attack was planned.
Probably just coincidence.
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