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Post by Steve on May 20, 2024 18:35:54 GMT
Guesswork alert ^
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Post by Zany on May 20, 2024 18:42:55 GMT
No because it's very complicated to properly include it. You'd also have to include the massive income many people get from inflated house prices via inheritances. Some people are worse off that they were in 2010, most people are better off an on average everyone is. Yep. That's the point for most people.
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Post by Steve on May 20, 2024 23:54:31 GMT
Also it's key that unemployment has halved since 2010. I'd want action to at least halve it again. Millions live in UK families with the economic and social misery of unemployment and many millions more live in fear they'll become so inflicted.
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Post by Zany on May 21, 2024 8:14:51 GMT
Also it's key that unemployment has halved since 2010. I'd want action to at least halve it again. Millions live in UK families with the economic and social misery of unemployment and many millions more live in fear they'll become so inflicted. House prices and rents are a far greater problem. Many low paid jobs would not require housing benefit if house prices halved (Yes halved) The low paid spent over 50% of their income on rent and mortgage payments.
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Post by Orac on May 21, 2024 9:03:26 GMT
But Zany, the benefit of rising house prices is that people who own houses get paid a king's ransom for doing nothing.
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Post by Zany on May 21, 2024 9:26:01 GMT
But Zany, the benefit of rising house prices is that people who own houses get paid a king's ransom for doing nothing. Indeed. Its always been the case, but in the last 20 years its gone mad.
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Post by Steve on May 21, 2024 10:28:58 GMT
Also it's key that unemployment has halved since 2010. I'd want action to at least halve it again. Millions live in UK families with the economic and social misery of unemployment and many millions more live in fear they'll become so inflicted. House prices and rents are a far greater problem. Many low paid jobs would not require housing benefit if house prices halved (Yes halved) The low paid spent over 50% of their income on rent and mortgage payments. How on earth could you halve house prices without forcing us into some form of Cuba without the sun?
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Post by Zany on May 21, 2024 10:51:06 GMT
House prices and rents are a far greater problem. Many low paid jobs would not require housing benefit if house prices halved (Yes halved) The low paid spent over 50% of their income on rent and mortgage payments. How on earth could you halve house prices without forcing us into some form of Cuba without the sun? They used to be half this price. Frankly £400,000 for a two bed house is obscene. But I'm not out to do this overnight. Just build enough houses for the population and let the market decide their value. After we got the value so high simply by not building enough.
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Post by Steve on May 21, 2024 11:07:52 GMT
It's mostly been driven by a supply/demand issue for buildable land in desirable locations (mostly cities but also Cornwall)
The population is only up 1/3 since 1950 so the real issues are where we are creating jobs and did we hit a tipping point on supply/demand.
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Post by Zany on May 21, 2024 11:41:00 GMT
It's mostly been driven by a supply/demand issue for buildable land in desirable locations (mostly cities but also Cornwall) The population is only up 1/3 since 1950 so the real issues are where we are creating jobs and did we hit a tipping point on supply/demand. I would say deliberate policies by planning departments are by far the biggest cause in the shortages. Everyone speaks of Nimbyism but has anyone noticed how often the only sites that get to planning pre approved are those likely to cause up set. Always on the edge of towns and villages, always blocking a view someone paid a lot of money to have. Why not build houses here.↓↓ (Put a few hundred trees around it and looks lovely, better than it is now.
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Post by Steve on May 21, 2024 11:51:40 GMT
It's mostly been driven by a supply/demand issue for buildable land in desirable locations (mostly cities but also Cornwall) The population is only up 1/3 since 1950 so the real issues are where we are creating jobs and did we hit a tipping point on supply/demand. I would say deliberate policies by planning departments are by far the biggest cause in the shortages. Everyone speaks of Nimbyism but has anyone noticed how often the only sites that get to planning pre approved are those likely to cause up set. . . . No they're the ones that make the news, Facebook groups etc creating a false impression. Known as 'man bites dog' syndrome
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Post by Zany on May 21, 2024 12:14:43 GMT
I would say deliberate policies by planning departments are by far the biggest cause in the shortages. Everyone speaks of Nimbyism but has anyone noticed how often the only sites that get to planning pre approved are those likely to cause up set. . . . No they're the ones that make the news, Facebook groups etc creating a false impression. Known as 'man bites dog' syndrome I disagree. I have two friends both of whom are property developers. Both are constantly fighting the planning office who throw bizarre and impossible conditions in all the time. Apply to build houses on green belt. Not a chance.
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Post by Steve on May 21, 2024 12:16:45 GMT
Then don't apply to build on green belt.
But everyone knows that that's where the highest profits are to be made so developers are always going to try and push the boundaries. What we need to be doing is creating jobs and therefore demand for housing way away from London.
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Post by Zany on May 21, 2024 12:25:10 GMT
Then don't apply to build on green belt. But everyone knows that that's where the highest profits are to be made so developers are always going to try and push the boundaries. What we need to be doing is creating jobs and therefore demand for housing way away from London. Or release greenbelt land to build on, if you really want to build enough cheap homes for the people. Or stop inviting people to live here. Forcing builders to squeeze flats and tiny homes into unsuitable spaces and then telling them they need to provide car parking, better access roads, new traffic systems, improve existing water, sewage, electricity services in these already difficult to build places both slows down building and pushes prices up. People need to think these things through, as usual its the consumer who picks up the tab for this stuff. Nottingham is FULL of decrepit and derelict buildings because the council planning dept are impossible to work with.
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Post by Orac on May 21, 2024 13:54:18 GMT
It's mostly been driven by a supply/demand issue for buildable land in desirable locations (mostly cities but also Cornwall) The population is only up 1/3 since 1950 so the real issues are where we are creating jobs and did we hit a tipping point on supply/demand. Why not build houses here.↓↓ (Put a few hundred trees around it and looks lovely, better than it is now. It's not a good idea, but even if it was, people wont allow you to do it. When people hear the term 'house-building' they know what it means - that the houses are not for them or their children, they are instead intended for the 'special people' who are being moved in from Africa, the middle east and south Asia.
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