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Post by Zany on Jul 24, 2024 15:42:46 GMT
They could put tax tariffs on ICE vehicle sales and use the money to discount EV's. Rather depends on how important you think climate change is and as a government how much it will cost to do nothing about it. Yes they could and it would have same effect of making MOT legal second hand ICE car prices go through the roof. As I've said before I believe that MMGW is a highly probable truth and we would be wildly reckless to not take serious action. But I also believe in democracy and while any doubt exists we should tread carefully and consistently. We're not seeing that, we're seeing governments making BIG net zero promises and dishonestly supposing that policies attacking car users are enough. But we do need to at least buy time by drastically cutting the Carbon emissions until there is proof either way on the issue. So for now I defend actions that actually lead to international net zero by 2050. I don't think you'll ever get proof enough for some people until its too late. Then you can say oh yes the climates fucked and the scientists were right. Once again you (And no one else) addresses the cost of doing nothing. Do you think there isn't one? |
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Post by Steve on Jul 24, 2024 16:18:26 GMT
Agreed. I should have used 'sufficient proof'. Right now all we have is a correlation backed probability. There's no reliable model yet that delivers even vaguely accurate results.
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Post by Zany on Jul 24, 2024 17:13:37 GMT
Agreed. I should have used 'sufficient proof'. Right now all we have is a correlation backed probability. There's no reliable model yet that delivers even vaguely accurate results. That and the fact we know Co2 is the moderator of our climate with its remarkable ability to hold water in our atmosphere. And Co2 is increasing to levels our particular civilisations were not built for. All the rest is calculations on the extent of change. One thing all the current deniers its bad forget, is that there is no other end, no max, no upper limit. Our planet would be quite happy to have an average temperature of 200c and not mind at all that life died out. So long as we keep pumping out more Co2 than the planet can absorb it will keep getting warmer and the weather will keep changing in each area. I'm sure that there could be gains. Already Alaskans are complaining they need bridges because their rivers are no longer frozen, but give it a bit more time and they could see the snow gone and be able to grow crops. And the Texans finding summer temperatures that are not survivable by human beings? Well they could just pick up Houston and move it to Fairbanks. Surely that's cheaper that switching to renewables? |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 24, 2024 22:49:46 GMT
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Post by Zany on Jul 25, 2024 7:07:56 GMT
Have to be a little careful here, the El Nino happening this year and it is adding a few degrees to top temps and moving weather patterns. I like to think its God giving us a taster of what global warming would be like, to see if we want it.  |
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Post by Steve on Jul 25, 2024 9:06:28 GMT
But what causes El Nino?
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 25, 2024 11:56:48 GMT
Short answer - Periods of weaker or stronger-than-average easterly trade winds |
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Post by Steve on Jul 25, 2024 19:21:46 GMT
Short answer - Periods of weaker or stronger-than-average easterly trade winds And they are caused by . . . . |
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Post by Zany on Jul 25, 2024 19:32:50 GMT
The development of El Niño events is linked to the trade winds. El Niño occurs when the trade winds are weaker than normal, and La Niña occurs when they are stronger than normal. Both cycles typically peak in December. El Niño and La Niña aren't the only cycles evident in this image series. But if you're asking has global warming increased the strength of El Nino the answer is almost certainly yes. But its important not to fuel the deniers by making any false claims about the current weather. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 25, 2024 19:34:55 GMT
Exactly my thoughts. Blaming the warming we see on El Nino is a false flag attempt to deflect from the CO2 rise.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 25, 2024 19:48:03 GMT
The thing is, El Nino is a regular occurrence. If it was just El Nino why didn't we hit this record temp' 40 years ago or 30 years ago?
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Post by Zany on Jul 25, 2024 19:52:33 GMT
The thing is, El Nino is a regular occurrence. If it was just El Nino why didn't we hit this record temp' 40 years ago or 30 years ago? Of course, but the minute you say this weather is global warming and pretend a natural event like El Nino is playing no part, you give credence to their ideas that you're prepared to lie to persuade a doubtful public. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 25, 2024 19:59:19 GMT
The thing is, El Nino is a regular occurrence. If it was just El Nino why didn't we hit this record temp' 40 years ago or 30 years ago? If the El Nino's are the same as ever then they don't explain the long term warming we're seeing so something else is and prime suspect is the CO2 If the El Ninos are actually more severe then something is causing that and prime suspect is the CO2 |
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Post by Steve on Aug 18, 2024 18:58:39 GMT
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Post by Zany on Aug 18, 2024 20:04:37 GMT
Big issue with hydrogen is storage. I agree with the article EV has won the race. Batteries are so good now. |
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