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Post by Zany on Aug 23, 2024 20:59:05 GMT
How does double standards imply dishonesty? I never said you lied about a thing, I said you have double standards in that you are "outraged" about one thing and not another. Different things. I'm just accusing you of extreme bias There was clear fraud in the Scot indy ref, it's just that you think "record breaking illegality" only applies to the Brexit ref and only one way when both sides cheated In this case it most surely does. For their to be double standards Steve would have to be lying about his belief in lost receipts |
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Post by Zany on Aug 23, 2024 21:01:56 GMT
More importantly, it would not have changed the result.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2024 21:16:46 GMT
Yes something very familiar - you were wrong and not admitting it. No illegality of any note in the Scottish Indy referendum of 2014. Get over it and maybe read your first link word by word. Seems you've fallen for those very Russian sourced false stories. How could I possibly have fallen for the Russian false stories when they didn't even bother keep accounting of their spending? Are you saying the Russians made that up too? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2024 21:18:01 GMT
How does double standards imply dishonesty? I never said you lied about a thing, I said you have double standards in that you are "outraged" about one thing and not another. Different things. I'm just accusing you of extreme bias There was clear fraud in the Scot indy ref, it's just that you think "record breaking illegality" only applies to the Brexit ref and only one way when both sides cheated In this case it most surely does. For their to be double standards Steve would have to be lying about his belief in lost receipts Ok, if you want to get into the woods with it then I suppose there is some duplicity with what was said, I was trying to be considerate of the fact he doesn't like being called a liar or dishonest, but there you go |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2024 21:18:30 GMT
More importantly, it would not have changed the result. How do you know if the accounting for what they spent hasn't even been kept?? Same for Russia's cheating and manipulation?? |
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2024 21:39:51 GMT
Yes something very familiar - you were wrong and not admitting it. No illegality of any note in the Scottish Indy referendum of 2014. Get over it and maybe read your first link word by word. Seems you've fallen for those very Russian sourced false stories. How could I possibly have fallen for the Russian false stories when they didn't even bother keep accounting of their spending? Are you saying the Russians made that up too? There you go again. Wild exagerations. Those of us that know and use the English language know that LATE accounts is not the same as NO accounts. Maybe you realise this too now. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2024 21:43:14 GMT
More importantly, it would not have changed the result. How do you know if the accounting for what they spent hasn't even been kept?? Same for Russia's cheating and manipulation?? Again those of us that actually read your link know that the Russians were falsely alleging cheating. The clue being in these words right at the top of your own link 'An expert in Russian cyber-operations has accused Russian activists of running a disinformation campaign to discredit the Scottish independence referendum result, by wrongly alleging it was rigged.'Please say if you need 'wrongly alleging' explained in simpler terms. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 24, 2024 7:02:01 GMT
In this case it most surely does. For their to be double standards Steve would have to be lying about his belief in lost receipts Ok, if you want to get into the woods with it then I suppose there is some duplicity with what was said, I was trying to be considerate of the fact he doesn't like being called a liar or dishonest, but there you go There is no rule here about calling someone a liar if you can demonstrate they are lying.. You might start by assuming they are misinformed, but if they perpetuate after they are informed, then a lie is a lie. The problem is not solved by using other words that mean liar. |
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Post by Zany on Aug 24, 2024 7:07:12 GMT
More importantly, it would not have changed the result. How do you know if the accounting for what they spent hasn't even been kept?? Same for Russia's cheating and manipulation?? Sorry, I was referring to the lost votes. There is no way to tell how much the over spend effected the vote. If the polls were showing a large desire for another referendum I would support it, but they aren't. So people clearly don't feel cheated. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 24, 2024 8:55:24 GMT
That's because the actual unarguable electoral mandate on that was given by the December 2019 General Election.
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Post by Zany on Aug 24, 2024 9:05:28 GMT
That's because the actual unarguable electoral mandate on that was given by the December 2019 General Election. I'm always reluctant to assign individual issues to an election vote. I might vote Labour as my best choice, but not agree with every policy they have. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 24, 2024 10:39:14 GMT
But it was a very clear electoral stance and it drew a line under the issue (but not how we got there)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 12:28:27 GMT
How could I possibly have fallen for the Russian false stories when they didn't even bother keep accounting of their spending? Are you saying the Russians made that up too? There you go again. Wild exagerations. Those of us that know and use the English language know that LATE accounts is not the same as NO accounts. Maybe you realise this too now. Now who's inventing More Fiction ^ Read the links (plural) again. It's a fact that no receipts or invoices were returned in one of the cases I linked - that is separate to the late accounts in IIRC the last link. Reading Is Fundamental |
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Post by Steve on Aug 24, 2024 13:09:50 GMT
I suggest it's you that needs to reread the links. And it would be a good idea to actually quote the text in each you believe supports whatever wandering point you feel you are making. Go Figure posting of links is as you know, very annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 13:14:02 GMT
So you can't click on links? I told you what they were about quite clearly in all the posts and you still refuse to click them.
Then don't click on them, don't whine about "go figure" posting when I told you what they're about.
All you seem to want to do is pretend no one committed any unethical or illegal actions in Scot Indy ref, but that's typical of Brit Nats?
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