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Post by Orac on Jul 21, 2024 14:23:13 GMT
An innocent bystander took the bullet that was meant for ex President Twat. Define innocent. Don't forget, these are the MAGA loyalists who vote for him and storm the Capital when asked. The idea of democracy is to give options - ie choices between people who disagree. Necessarily this means you will disagree with some candidates. I realise this is an uphill struggle for you - something you are trying your best integrate |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 14:33:46 GMT
The man is a friend to dictatorships and an enemy to democracies. It was bad enough last time he was in, the idea of him getting back in? Appalling. He'd throw Ukraine under a bus. And if he didn't, presumably Putin would release enough dirt on him that he'd go to prison for treason. Which means Trump is a security threat.  |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 21, 2024 15:08:25 GMT
Define innocent. Don't forget, these are the MAGA loyalists who vote for him and storm the Capital when asked. The idea of democracy is to give options - ie choices between people who disagree. Necessarily this means you will disagree with some candidates. I realise this is an uphill struggle for you - something you are trying your best integrate It's a little more than disagreeable when one candidate refuses to accept the result of a free and fair election and tries to disrupt the peaceful transference of power. After Jan 6th he should have been barred from holding public office ever again. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:22:27 GMT
The idea of democracy is to give options - ie choices between people who disagree. Necessarily this means you will disagree with some candidates. I realise this is an uphill struggle for you - something you are trying your best integrate It's a little more than disagreeable when one candidate refuses to accept the result of a free and fair election and tries to disrupt the peaceful transference of power. After Jan 6th he should have been barred from holding public office ever again. normally you are a reasonable guy monte , but for some reason trump makes you lose all sense of reason and proportion and you go absolutely batshit crazy when discussing him. I have to agree with what Orac said. I hope trump wins for a purely selfish point of view , in that the world has become a far more dangerous place since Biden became president. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 21, 2024 15:40:00 GMT
It's a little more than disagreeable when one candidate refuses to accept the result of a free and fair election and tries to disrupt the peaceful transference of power. After Jan 6th he should have been barred from holding public office ever again. normally you are a reasonable guy monte , but for some reason trump makes you lose all sense of reason and proportion and you go absolutely batshit crazy when discussing him. I have to agree with what Orac said. I hope trump wins for a purely selfish point of view , in that the world has become a far more dangerous place since Biden became president. Are you saying that you think it's acceptable to form a mob on the day the electoral votes are registered and then point it in the direction of the Capitol with the intention of disrupting the democratic process? Not only that, but when Trump saw the scenes of violence with protesters attacking cops and breaking windows to gain entry to the Capitol he didn't immediately call for peace. He went and watched it happen on the TV for a few hours before eventually telling the mob he loved them but it was time to go home. The man is unhinged and a threat to the world. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 15:41:46 GMT
normally you are a reasonable guy monte , but for some reason trump makes you lose all sense of reason and proportion and you go absolutely batshit crazy when discussing him. I have to agree with what Orac said. I hope trump wins for a purely selfish point of view , in that the world has become a far more dangerous place since Biden became president. . The man is unhinged and a threat to the world. so is Biden. If I have a gun to my ear , and forced to pick between the two ( thankfully I dont ) I would pick trump. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 21, 2024 15:51:48 GMT
. The man is unhinged and a threat to the world. so is Biden. If I have a gun to my ear , and forced to pick between the two ( thankfully I dont ) I would pick trump. Biden is yesterday's fish and chip paper. Now Obama has told him he needs to go it's only a matter of time before he steps aside. Who ever replaces him will be a safer pair of hands than Trump. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 15:59:21 GMT
normally you are a reasonable guy monte , but for some reason trump makes you lose all sense of reason and proportion and you go absolutely batshit crazy when discussing him. I have to agree with what Orac said. I hope trump wins for a purely selfish point of view , in that the world has become a far more dangerous place since Biden became president. Are you saying that you think it's acceptable to form a mob on the day the electoral votes are registered and then point it in the direction of the Capitol with the intention of disrupting the democratic process? Not only that, but when Trump saw the scenes of violence with protesters attacking cops and breaking windows to gain entry to the Capitol he didn't immediately call for peace. He went and watched it happen on the TV for a few hours before eventually telling the mob he loved them but it was time to go home. The man is unhinged and a threat to the world. No one is saying that but you have got very close to saying that for anyone to support that man then violent death in front of his family is OK and poster after poster here finds your stance appalling |
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Post by Orac on Jul 21, 2024 16:09:00 GMT
The idea of democracy is to give options - ie choices between people who disagree. Necessarily this means you will disagree with some candidates. I realise this is an uphill struggle for you - something you are trying your best integrate It's a little more than disagreeable when one candidate refuses to accept the result of a free and fair election and tries to disrupt the peaceful transference of power. After Jan 6th he should have been barred from holding public office ever again. What faux-hysterical dribble. Trump accepted the result to degree required and to this day Hilary Clinton maintains the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russians' and you don't seem to become hysterical about that ...ooohh I just had a though. You don't become hysterical about Hilary's claims because you agree with them. At root, this is all about what you agree with, what you disagree with and your inability to understand democracy. In a democracy. Trump and his supporters don't have to agree with you to qualify for public office.
As far as jan 6th is concerned, anyone who truly believes republicans attempted to remove the power of the US government but forgot to bring their guns, probably has some kind of brain damage. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 16:53:13 GMT
so is Biden. If I have a gun to my ear , and forced to pick between the two ( thankfully I dont ) I would pick trump. Biden is yesterday's fish and chip paper. Now Obama has told him he needs to go it's only a matter of time before he steps aside. Who ever replaces him will be a safer pair of hands than Trump. is it confirmed Biden will not run? all im reading at the minute is theories about who is saying what. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 21, 2024 16:53:42 GMT
It's a little more than disagreeable when one candidate refuses to accept the result of a free and fair election and tries to disrupt the peaceful transference of power. After Jan 6th he should have been barred from holding public office ever again. What faux-hysterical dribble. Trump accepted the result to degree required and to this day Hilary Clinton maintains the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russians' and you don't seem to become hysterical about that . . . Absoloute rubbish. a pathetic attempt to rewrite history. Clinton conceded the election within hours of polling stattions closing. www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-231118 |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 16:54:35 GMT
It's a little more than disagreeable when one candidate refuses to accept the result of a free and fair election and tries to disrupt the peaceful transference of power. After Jan 6th he should have been barred from holding public office ever again. What faux-hysterical dribble. Trump accepted the result to degree required and to this day Hilary Clinton maintains the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russians' and you don't seem to become hysterical about that ...ooohh I just had a though. You don't become hysterical about Hilary's claims because you agree with them. At root, this is all about what you agree with, what you disagree with and your inability to understand democracy. In a democracy. Trump and his supporters don't have to agree with you to qualify for public office.
As far as jan 6th is concerned, anyone who truly believes republicans attempted to remove the power of the US government but forgot to bring their guns, probably has some kind of brain damage. good point Orac. Ah the good old Russian stole our democracy theory , inserted into anything the liberal centrists dont like. |
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Post by Amadan on Jul 21, 2024 17:07:52 GMT
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Post by Orac on Jul 21, 2024 18:05:05 GMT
Nothing i said was lie,. What you are doing here is engaging a straw-man This is what i put - to this day Hilary Clinton maintains the 2016 election was 'stolen by Russians'
Hillary still doesn't actually concede that the she lost a fair and free election. Hilary's combination of statements amounts to "Rightful victory was stolen from me because the election was rigged by the Russians" Trump was arguably just more honest. I think it's likely he genuinely believed the election was rigged while Hillary was just seeing what would fly. I have a question for you - if you believe an election is rigged, should you concede? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 18:16:35 GMT
Killary was a pretty horrific politician in so many ways, but let's face it, even she didn't stir up a violent mob to go to the capitol did she, there is a difference. And no that doesn't mean trying to kill Trump is acceptable
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