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Post by Zany on Jul 18, 2024 5:54:45 GMT
I did warn us not to question the right of Americans to blow coyotes/children to bits. Come on Zany, blowing up coyotes is far fetched. We shoot them from helicopters filled with tanks of water with sharks with FRICKIN LASER BEAMS! attached to their head instead! My point is that as soon as any conversation starts about increasing gun law in America, you are told to come back when you better understand. That its good already and the killings are nothing to do with the number or type of guns, but something else. Its a no go area. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 3:35:05 GMT
Never said it's "good enough already" at any point, the NRA/Russians point should've underlined that.
I'm simply pointing out that what many Britons think is reasonable gun law might not be reasonable in the USA for varying reasons.
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Post by Steve on Jul 19, 2024 8:17:55 GMT
Never said it's "good enough already" at any point, the NRA/Russians point should've underlined that. I'm simply pointing out that what many Britons think is reasonable gun law might not be reasonable in the USA for varying reasons. I agree with that but what the USA allows is so so far from what any reasonable society should be doing. And the consequences are appalling even looked at from this distance. |
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Post by Zany on Jul 19, 2024 8:25:15 GMT
Never said it's "good enough already" at any point, the NRA/Russians point should've underlined that. I'm simply pointing out that what many Britons think is reasonable gun law might not be reasonable in the USA for varying reasons. Never said you said it. But that its the typical reaction. Personally I think guns have a power that is very hard to give up once you have embraced it. Before you had a gun you were not afraid of attack. Once you hold a gun you are. Because of this I don't think Americans will ever give up their guns |
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Post by vinny on Jul 19, 2024 9:04:03 GMT
We have unlimited access to crossbows in the UK.
Even convicted murderers who have been released, can buy them, no background checks, no register.
We are not that different, except we don't have an insane constitutional attachment to them.
But, our government recognises a problem and things may change soon.
Anyone who can be trusted with a gun would find that a licence system is nothing to fear.
It's only the psychos who wouldn't qualify who get upset by the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 9:48:19 GMT
Never said it's "good enough already" at any point, the NRA/Russians point should've underlined that. I'm simply pointing out that what many Britons think is reasonable gun law might not be reasonable in the USA for varying reasons. Never said you said it. But that its the typical reaction. Personally I think guns have a power that is very hard to give up once you have embraced it. Before you had a gun you were not afraid of attack. Once you hold a gun you are. Because of this I don't think Americans will ever give up their guns Not afraid of attack until you owned a gun? By whom and for what reason? If you lived where I formerly lived in London in the bad old days, you would be expecting an attack anytime day or night. And there are places that are much worse in the USA when it comes to violence from people. Owning a gun or not won't change whether there are threats to your life from people - and from nature in the USA |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 9:50:19 GMT
We have unlimited access to crossbows in the UK. Even convicted murderers who have been released, can buy them, no background checks, no register. We are not that different, except we don't have an insane constitutional attachment to them. But, our government recognises a problem and things may change soon. Anyone who can be trusted with a gun would find that a licence system is nothing to fear. It's only the psychos who wouldn't qualify who get upset by the idea. That's a silly argument, it's like saying you have nothing to fear by mass surveillance or ID cards or all the other police state-y rubbish. Yeah, you don't, except for all those wrongly convicted. The guys who passed background checks who committed mass shootings in more than a few cases had no history, no real criminal record to speak of, they'd pass it in England too if they were so inclined. I've tried to communicate this several times to people here but no one's listening Fair enough, but it starts to become a bit of an irritant re-stating it again and again |
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Post by Steve on Jul 19, 2024 11:02:40 GMT
We have unlimited access to crossbows in the UK. Even convicted murderers who have been released, can buy them, no background checks, no register. We are not that different, except we don't have an insane constitutional attachment to them. But, our government recognises a problem and things may change soon. Anyone who can be trusted with a gun would find that a licence system is nothing to fear. It's only the psychos who wouldn't qualify who get upset by the idea. Crossbows are nothing like the danger that assault rifles and hand guns are. As for licensed ownership of guns yes it's good but the most sane person can be tormented enough to act badly so there needs to be rules too on storage of guns. So many Americans have them in their glove compartments or unlocked drawers in their halls. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 19, 2024 11:48:02 GMT
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Post by Steve on Jul 19, 2024 11:51:10 GMT
So he might well have said this  |
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Post by Zany on Jul 19, 2024 20:55:39 GMT
We have unlimited access to crossbows in the UK. Even convicted murderers who have been released, can buy them, no background checks, no register. We are not that different, except we don't have an insane constitutional attachment to them. But, our government recognises a problem and things may change soon. Anyone who can be trusted with a gun would find that a licence system is nothing to fear. It's only the psychos who wouldn't qualify who get upset by the idea. Agreed |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 21:27:44 GMT
Unfortunately, a lot of people will see that as good reason to try and off him |
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Post by vinny on Jul 20, 2024 5:38:51 GMT
The man is a friend to dictatorships and an enemy to democracies. It was bad enough last time he was in, the idea of him getting back in? Appalling.
He'd throw Ukraine under a bus. And if he didn't, presumably Putin would release enough dirt on him that he'd go to prison for treason. Which means Trump is a security threat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 6:00:21 GMT
Are you saying that in response to my post above?
If so, it looks like you are endorsing offing him, feel free to clarify
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Post by vinny on Jul 20, 2024 6:35:55 GMT
No. I am endorsing prosecuting and imprisoning him for his crimes. He's already been convicted on 34 counts of fraud too.
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