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Post by montegriffo on Jul 16, 2024 13:36:52 GMT
Again, I've never said it was justified. I just don't think anyone at a Trump rally is truly innocent. Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned — like with Brexit, Covid, NHS, etc, lies and misinformation are often difficult for us ordinary citizens to unravel from truth and half-truth. The US is a more violent country than the UK. But is most of the population to blame? Or are special interest and lobbying groups, such as the NRA, responsible for exerting most influence on US political parties and courts…? It's Conmen all the way down. |
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Post by Steve on Jul 16, 2024 14:07:07 GMT
the USA is the epitome of that phrase: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 16, 2024 15:51:51 GMT
vinny Reflections on a Moron, by the Moron's bereaved daughter.     Trump hasn't even phoned the widow to offer his condolences. President Biden has but the widow refused to speak to him because her husband was such a massive Trump fan. Classy. |
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Post by vinny on Jul 16, 2024 16:03:22 GMT
Brexit wasn't a con.
You're just sad that free movement is over.
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Post by Steve on Jul 16, 2024 17:39:25 GMT
wrong thread ^ ?
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Post by Zany on Jul 16, 2024 17:41:56 GMT
Monte Is it ? Their Father had reached 50 years of age in the knowledge that whenever he carried his gun both he and his family remained safe and had a means to defend themselves. Yet the very time they attend an event where the State demanded they be disarmed, using metal detectors to ensure they'd all be incapable of defending themselves. 'You can trust us, if a crazed lad with severe Trump Derangement Syndrome climbs onto the nearest roof and sees it as an opportunity to shoot disarmed Trump supporters like fish in a barrel, well you can always try throwing your car keys at him .....other than that it's up to us if, and how soon we stop him .... your safety and that of your family is out of your hands and transferred completely into the hands of the State now .... let's see how well that works out for you'
Yeah, sure, the only way to end gun crime is more guns. Straight from the NRA play book. GTFO. But it doesn't start by disarming the innocent. It starts with deciding who's safe to have guns. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 18:20:22 GMT
vinny Reflections on a Moron, by the Moron's bereaved daughter. Good sentiment Hutchyns (BTW were you on another site under the username 'Nonsense' - I often liked your posts if that was you, and you're from Hastings?) Making this political, about guns or gun nuts or insulting MAGA "morons" or calling people "twats" is exactly the kind of thing that has caused this to happen. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 16, 2024 19:12:38 GMT
You have no evidence to support that.
It might just as easily be a loner kid who was bullied at school leading to untreated mental health issues.
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Post by Zany on Jul 16, 2024 19:26:53 GMT
You have no evidence to support that. It might just as easily be a loner kid who was bullied at school leading to untreated mental health issues. Which makes it OK to shoot someone dead |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 16, 2024 19:31:25 GMT
Yeah, sure, the only way to end gun crime is more guns. Straight from the NRA play book. GTFO. But it doesn't start by disarming the innocent. It starts with deciding who's safe to have guns. No, it starts with having a valid reason to have a gun. Followed by a medical exam including mental health check. Then criminal background check and character references. Then a visit to the person's house to check they have a suitable locking cabinet to store any guns and a separate safe place to keep ammunition. The answer certainly isn't letting everyone walk around armed to the teeth with the only requirement being ''do you like guns''. |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 16, 2024 19:32:04 GMT
You have no evidence to support that. It might just as easily be a loner kid who was bullied at school leading to untreated mental health issues. Which makes it OK to shoot someone dead Did I say that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 19:35:46 GMT
But it doesn't start by disarming the innocent. It starts with deciding who's safe to have guns. No, it starts with having a valid reason to have a gun. Followed by a medical exam including mental health check. Then criminal background check and character references. Then a visit to the person's house to check they have a suitable locking cabinet to store any guns and a separate safe place to keep ammunition. The answer certainly isn't letting everyone walk around armed to the teeth with the only requirement being ''do you like guns''. Suggest reading how gun laws actually work in most states, because that ain't it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 19:40:39 GMT
You have no evidence to support that. It might just as easily be a loner kid who was bullied at school leading to untreated mental health issues. There's plenty of evidence to support that he ^ was that AND more We know he donated to a liberal PAC (that stands for political action committee) and only latterly registered as a republican. That's what people do when they want to vote for a more liberal Republican in the primaries - the primaries are where they select the presidential candidate for the party - against Trump, to influence the outcome of the election Many people have done the same thing to get rid of Trump. We know he definitely was a "loner kid" who was "bullied" at school, yet seemingly most other information about him has disappeared into the ether, which is disturbing and quite often the case with these things here in the USA - unfortunately. They don't want to prejudice ongoing investigations or something like that I suspect the constant attempts to say MAGA deserve to die fed into that, because that's what a lot of liberals are saying online. I know because I'm here in America and actually speak to people about this, quite a bit. Calling them all "morons", "twats" and people suggesting or insinuating they deserved to die, just as examples without being aimed at any users here (because I know that's now verboten), feeds into the same logic MAGA uses when they demonise all liberals I suggest to anyone doing it (no names mentioned in particular) they stop doing that, if indeed they are doing that The extremist bullies at the moment, who seem to be doing the rounds online, are calling him all kinds of names for not having properly assassinated Trump. One said he was "nerd" as he didn't put the bullet in the right place - they are exactly as bad, and probably as bullied / in turmoil as that kid was. I'm sure they exactly resemble the bullied, loner kid on the inside, IMHO, most bullied go on to be bullies |
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 16, 2024 19:51:25 GMT
The police were asked how the shooter was so easily able to get into position with a rifle just 130m from Trump.
Do you know what there answer was?
''It's an open carry State, we have absolutely no authority to challenge anyone outside the perimeter of the rally''.
Other than perhaps trespass he had not committed an offence until he actually opened fire.
That's why this happened. Not because of 'Biden's rhetoric' as the new Trump VP was spouting off before the bodies were even cold.
It's because they treat guns like toys, give people the constitutional right to own one and then freak out when some young kid shoots up a school, shopping mall, cinema, church, nightclub, country music festival or political rally.
Yeah, it's wrong that anyone dies but it is long past the point of being sad about it. For decades a large majority of the population have been calling for tougher controls but the sort of people who go to Trump's rallies have fought it every step of the way.
So no, I'm not sad I'm angry and I don't feel pity for anyone who says ''you can take it from my cold dead hands''. OK fine, if that's the way you want it, don't come crying to me when it's one of yours that dies.
Better that than some 8 year old school kid.
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Post by Zany on Jul 16, 2024 19:53:37 GMT
But it doesn't start by disarming the innocent. It starts with deciding who's safe to have guns. No, it starts with having a valid reason to have a gun. Followed by a medical exam including mental health check. Then criminal background check and character references. Then a visit to the person's house to check they have a suitable locking cabinet to store any guns and a separate safe place to keep ammunition. The answer certainly isn't letting everyone walk around armed to the teeth with the only requirement being ''do you like guns''. Ideally yes, but have you ever discussed ideally with Americans? |
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