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Post by Zany on Aug 3, 2024 10:34:03 GMT
So you're still forgetting that cannabis can be and often is taken orally and very much would be by someone determined to hide their use. I know of no stats on how many times friends stop a drunk driving not of how many times a would be drunk doesn't even try it because they know their friends know. Fact is significant alcohol use is always readily detectable but significant cannabis use can be very hard to detect until it's too late I'm not forgetting, I'm just concentrating on the more common uses. You seem to be ignoring the fact that Cannabis taking is generally a social affair, especially if driving is involved. There is also no stats I know of on how many times friends stop drug driving not of how many times a would be drug user doesn't even try it because they know their friends know. Your fact stands, as do my considerations relating to it. I have not refuted your fact, just diminished its significance which some information on what generally happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2024 17:00:04 GMT
Now Lab are proposing banning all outdoor smoking [in public spaces], that's just ridiculous
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Post by dappy on Aug 29, 2024 17:17:42 GMT
All outdoor public space I believe. Ridiculous? Why?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2024 17:59:52 GMT
True, but it will make it very hard for smokers to smoke anywhere convenient whatsoever after this, other than their own home IndyMaybe next they should ban alcohol as it causes more harm than smoking, no doubt that's on the cards too It's weird when I agree with the right-wing IEA thinktank head isn't it? They advocate the worst excesses of Neoliberalism, but this nanny state stuff is so absurd now, banning smoking in parks is simply absurd |
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Post by Zany on Aug 31, 2024 8:10:08 GMT
Now Lab are proposing banning all outdoor smoking [in public spaces], that's just ridiculous I can't see how they will get close to achieving it. Smokers will simply move onto the footpath for their smoke. Best it will do is kill a few more pubs. From a friend, the idea is to stop pubs etc circumventing the no smoking ban by erecting covered outside eating areas to get smokers back in. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 31, 2024 10:23:17 GMT
I think the idea is to limit smoking in confined outdoor areas where it is hard for a non smoker to get away from second hand smoke. Obviously need to see the detail but I quite welcome it to be honest.
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Post by Zany on Aug 31, 2024 11:15:16 GMT
I think the idea is to limit smoking in confined outdoor areas where it is hard for a non smoker to get away from second hand smoke. Obviously need to see the detail but I quite welcome it to be honest. Is it? Surely that's what they have now? |
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Post by dappy on Aug 31, 2024 12:46:58 GMT
No . For example on many occasions I have sat having food in a pub garden when the neighbouring table having finished their food decide to celebrate by lighting up. If I am down wind I can’t avoid their smoke. Often the bastards even hold the fag away from themselves to ensure they are minimally affected and I get the full brunt. Let’s see the detail but I think that is where they are heading.
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Post by Zany on Aug 31, 2024 12:52:11 GMT
No . For example on many occasions I have sat having food in a pub garden when the neighbouring table having finished their food decide to celebrate by lighting up. If I am down wind I can’t avoid their smoke. Often the bastards even hold the fag away from themselves to ensure they are minimally affected and I get the full brunt. Let’s see the detail but I think that is where they are heading. Oh yes, I see what you mean. You imagine a pub with a little shelter people are allowed to smoke in. I was imagining a pub where the entire garden eating area is a designated smoking area. You might be right, though how you determine what's allowed is hard to imagine. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 23:53:32 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. Over stated. Take the money away from the black market and organised crime. Free up space in our overcrowded courts and prisons. Regulate purity and strength. Raise billions for the exchequer. It's a no brainer. Except for those who choose not to use their brain and only emote on this subject. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 23:58:23 GMT
I often said Cannabis often leads to Class A drugs . So legalised is a no no in my book. It leads to class A drugs because it is supplied by the same criminals. In other words it leads to them BECAUSE it is illegal. I wish people would engage their brains a bit more or at least listen to those of us who have past experience of the situation. Would be a refreshing change from simplistic emotings showcasing ignorance on the subject. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2024 0:10:36 GMT
And many others are killed by drunk drivers. Yet you yourself are probably a user of alcohol and are certainly not calling for it's prohibition. Driving under the influence of any kind of intoxicant should be and already is illegal. This thread is utterly riven with your brazen double standard in this area, when all the evidence points to alcohol being the more dangerous of the two with many of the harmful effects of cannabis being made worse by its illegality. I have already explained the myriad ways this is so in numerous posts earlier in this thread which you pretty much ignored. Why is alcohol ok or at least more ok than cannabis, whilst cannabis is a terrible evil? Not sure I am going to get an answer that I can reasonably engage with but I live in hope. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2024 1:44:29 GMT
BS ^ And please desist making these unpleasant and unnecessary personal attacks.
Which personal attacks? I see none
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 1, 2024 6:56:36 GMT
BS ^ And please desist making these unpleasant and unnecessary personal attacks. BS isn't an answer, it's an avoidance. So is your victimisation complex. Why should cannabis be treated more harshly than alcohol? |
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2024 9:07:33 GMT
Well Monte it's sad that you and Zany couldn't see someone dig up a long ago post and attack with 'your brazen double standard' and you decided to double the insults with 'your victimisation complex' but I guess that's what you believe this site is for: stupid personal jibes. Or maybe you think only your chosen people should be allowed them.
Playing the man not the ball is always what it is: an attempt to demean the person.
And if you look back you will see I have explained several times why cannabis use is a problem in a way alcohol content isn't. That cannabis users disagree is hardly a surprise is it.
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