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Post by Zany on Sept 1, 2024 9:14:35 GMT
Well Monte it's sad that you and Zany couldn't see someone dig up a long ago post and attack with 'your brazen double standard' and you decided to double the insults with 'your victimisation complex' but I guess that's what you believe this site is for: stupid personal jibes. Or maybe you think only your chosen people should be allowed them. Playing the man not the ball is always what it is: an attempt to demean the person. And if you look back you will see I have explained several times why cannabis use is a problem in a way alcohol content isn't. That cannabis users disagree is hardly a surprise is it. Accusing someone of brazen double standards in reference to a debate does not in my book constitute a personal insult. It refers specifically to the words used in the thread not the personality of the poster.
Victimisation complex is more complex, but I have decided to let it go on this occasion because I feel it also refers to the conversation and the words you have used.
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2024 10:06:42 GMT
Thank you for showing your own brazen double standards
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Post by Zany on Sept 1, 2024 13:47:13 GMT
Thank you for showing your own brazen double standards Just doing my best. Feel free to wind your neck in anytime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2024 19:12:46 GMT
BS ^ And please desist making these unpleasant and unnecessary personal attacks. Which personal attacks? I see nonePointing out your own double standards is not a personal attack just because you don't like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2024 19:32:03 GMT
BS ^ And please desist making these unpleasant and unnecessary personal attacks. BS isn't an answer, it's an avoidance. So is your victimisation complex. Why should cannabis be treated more harshly than alcohol? Indeed, when the only response to actual facts someone dislikes is to say "BS" without any actual attempt to refute those facts logically, the conclusion has to be that they have no valid argument but don't want to accept that they could be wrong. He has yet to explain why cannabis should be dealt with more harshly than alcohol in spite of most of the evidence suggesting that alcohol is the more harmful, nor effectively refuted all the myriad ways that illegality makes it worse, whilst stopping very few who want to smoke it from doing so. I have actual experience of the scene from my younger days and have never known of a single instance where the law stopped anyone who wanted to do it from doing so. I cannot categorically say that this means no one has ever been deterred by the law anywhere, but unless there is a valid reason for arguing that my own personal experience is somehow not the norm, then it clearly tends to suggest that the law stops very few people who want to smoke it. And all the harmful effects made worse by it's illegality is a high price to pay for such piffling deterrence. You know when someone is arguing emotively rather than logically because they cannot see their own double standards. For example, using the case of a stoned driver killing someone as a reason to keep it illegal, though clearly that fact did not stop him from getting stoned and driving. Yet all the numerous cases of drunk drivers killing people is not similarly used as an argument for prohibiting alcohol, merely banning driving under it's influence. Since driving under the influence of any intoxicant is already illegal and would remain so even if cannabis were legalised, this double standard needs to be engaged with logically if we are going to have a debate based upon logic and facts rather than emotion.
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Post by Zany on Sept 1, 2024 19:46:15 GMT
BS isn't an answer, it's an avoidance. So is your victimisation complex. Why should cannabis be treated more harshly than alcohol? Indeed, when the only response to actual facts someone dislikes is to say "BS" without any actual attempt to refute those facts logically, the conclusion has to be that they have no valid argument but don't want to accept that they could be wrong. He has yet to explain why cannabis should be dealt with more harshly than alcohol in spite of most of the evidence suggesting that alcohol is the more harmful, nor effectively refuted all the myriad ways that illegality makes it worse, whilst stopping very few who want to smoke it from doing so. I have actual experience of the scene from my younger days and have never known of a single instance where the law stopped anyone who wanted to do it from doing so. I cannot categorically say that this means no one has ever been deterred by the law anywhere, but unless there is a valid reason for arguing that my own personal experience is somehow not the norm, then it clearly tends to suggest that the law stops very few people who want to smoke it. And all the harmful effects made worse by it's illegality is a high price to pay for such piffling deterrence. You know when someone is arguing emotively rather than logically because they cannot see their own double standards. For example, using the case of a stoned driver killing someone as a reason to keep it illegal, though clearly that fact did not stop him from getting stoned and driving. Yet all the numerous cases of drunk drivers killing people is not similarly used as an argument for prohibiting alcohol, merely banning driving under it's influence. Since driving under the influence of any intoxicant is already illegal and would remain so even if cannabis were legalised, this double standard needs to be engaged with logically if we are going to have a debate based upon logic and facts rather than emotion. A more sensible argument against Cannabis is that we are only just starting to understand the long term effects on the brain, which normal alcohol use doesn't have. Its only in the last couple of years that the connection between Cannabis and Psychosis/Anxiety have been proven.
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2024 19:50:56 GMT
BS ^ And please desist making these unpleasant and unnecessary personal attacks. Which personal attacks? I see nonePointing out your own double standards is not a personal attack just because you don't like it. Yes it is. But seems there is a pro cannabis and quite possibly cannabis using clique here.
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Post by montegriffo on Sept 1, 2024 19:53:18 GMT
Indeed, when the only response to actual facts someone dislikes is to say "BS" without any actual attempt to refute those facts logically, the conclusion has to be that they have no valid argument but don't want to accept that they could be wrong. He has yet to explain why cannabis should be dealt with more harshly than alcohol in spite of most of the evidence suggesting that alcohol is the more harmful, nor effectively refuted all the myriad ways that illegality makes it worse, whilst stopping very few who want to smoke it from doing so. I have actual experience of the scene from my younger days and have never known of a single instance where the law stopped anyone who wanted to do it from doing so. I cannot categorically say that this means no one has ever been deterred by the law anywhere, but unless there is a valid reason for arguing that my own personal experience is somehow not the norm, then it clearly tends to suggest that the law stops very few people who want to smoke it. And all the harmful effects made worse by it's illegality is a high price to pay for such piffling deterrence. You know when someone is arguing emotively rather than logically because they cannot see their own double standards. For example, using the case of a stoned driver killing someone as a reason to keep it illegal, though clearly that fact did not stop him from getting stoned and driving. Yet all the numerous cases of drunk drivers killing people is not similarly used as an argument for prohibiting alcohol, merely banning driving under it's influence. Since driving under the influence of any intoxicant is already illegal and would remain so even if cannabis were legalised, this double standard needs to be engaged with logically if we are going to have a debate based upon logic and facts rather than emotion. A more sensible argument against Cannabis is that we are only just starting to understand the long term effects on the brain, which normal alcohol use doesn't have. Its only in the last couple of years that the connection between Cannabis and Psychosis/Anxiety have been proven. Yet millions smoke it regularly every week and our asylums are not filling up with cannabis victims. Our rehabs are filling up with alcoholics needing psychiatric therapy though.
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Post by Zany on Sept 1, 2024 19:53:24 GMT
Pointing out your own double standards is not a personal attack just because you don't like it. Yes it is. But seems there is a pro cannabis and quite possibly cannabis using clique here. Do you have anything to back up the assertion?
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Post by Zany on Sept 1, 2024 19:58:02 GMT
A more sensible argument against Cannabis is that we are only just starting to understand the long term effects on the brain, which normal alcohol use doesn't have. Its only in the last couple of years that the connection between Cannabis and Psychosis/Anxiety have been proven. Yet millions smoke it regularly every week and our asylums are not filling up with cannabis victims. Our rehabs are filling up with alcoholics needing psychiatric therapy though. My sister died last year of alcoholism, she drowned in her own blood. I don't need you to tell me the woes of alcohol abuse thanks. But what we are talking about here is ADDING cannabis to alcohol not replacing it. As for its effects, why not read up on it before you fry your brain. Its only recently we have found the link. Who knows how many suicides and mental illnesses link back to cannabis use.
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2024 20:00:29 GMT
Yes it is. But seems there is a pro cannabis and quite possibly cannabis using clique here. Do you have anything to back up the assertion? You don't think posts in the 8 pages above would give that impression?
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Post by Zany on Sept 1, 2024 20:05:26 GMT
Do you have anything to back up the assertion? You don't think posts in the 8 pages above would give that impression? I think the posts of a couple of invested parties does not speak for the forum. For myself I defend many things based on the facts I understand, doesn't make me bias. I sometimes wish you weren't quite so sure you are always right and that you could consider before becoming adamant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2024 20:09:38 GMT
Indeed, when the only response to actual facts someone dislikes is to say "BS" without any actual attempt to refute those facts logically, the conclusion has to be that they have no valid argument but don't want to accept that they could be wrong. He has yet to explain why cannabis should be dealt with more harshly than alcohol in spite of most of the evidence suggesting that alcohol is the more harmful, nor effectively refuted all the myriad ways that illegality makes it worse, whilst stopping very few who want to smoke it from doing so. I have actual experience of the scene from my younger days and have never known of a single instance where the law stopped anyone who wanted to do it from doing so. I cannot categorically say that this means no one has ever been deterred by the law anywhere, but unless there is a valid reason for arguing that my own personal experience is somehow not the norm, then it clearly tends to suggest that the law stops very few people who want to smoke it. And all the harmful effects made worse by it's illegality is a high price to pay for such piffling deterrence. You know when someone is arguing emotively rather than logically because they cannot see their own double standards. For example, using the case of a stoned driver killing someone as a reason to keep it illegal, though clearly that fact did not stop him from getting stoned and driving. Yet all the numerous cases of drunk drivers killing people is not similarly used as an argument for prohibiting alcohol, merely banning driving under it's influence. Since driving under the influence of any intoxicant is already illegal and would remain so even if cannabis were legalised, this double standard needs to be engaged with logically if we are going to have a debate based upon logic and facts rather than emotion. A more sensible argument against Cannabis is that we are only just starting to understand the long term effects on the brain, which normal alcohol use doesn't have. Its only in the last couple of years that the connection between Cannabis and Psychosis/Anxiety have been proven. That is a very valid point. But most of the evidence in thus far tends to suggest that it is most damaging to young people under the age of 18. Supplying it legally with an age restriction would be more effective at preventing young people from buying it themselves than leaving it to criminals who dont give a hoot whether someone is under age or not.
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2024 20:13:23 GMT
Happy reading Zany www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cannabis-psychosis-drugs-skunk-london-mental-health-problems-a8830601.html 'Super-strength cannabis blamed for sending rates of psychosis in London to highest level . . .
A major new study has found that smoking powerful strains like skunk every day made people five times more likely to develop mental health problems.
Nearly a third of cases recorded in south east London hospitals were linked to people smoking these powerful drugs, which now make up 94 per cent of the cannabis sold in the city.'
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Post by Zany on Sept 1, 2024 20:16:09 GMT
A more sensible argument against Cannabis is that we are only just starting to understand the long term effects on the brain, which normal alcohol use doesn't have. Its only in the last couple of years that the connection between Cannabis and Psychosis/Anxiety have been proven. That is a very valid point. But most of the evidence in thus far tends to suggest that it is most damaging to young people under the age of 18. Supplying it legally with an age restriction would be more effective at preventing young people from buying it themselves than leaving it to criminals who dont give a hoot whether someone is under age or not. I disagree. If you put an age limit on the sales the criminals would supply the under age just as they currently do the legal Just look at Vapes and cigarettes. Not to mention alcohol.
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