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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 15:09:44 GMT
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Post by Steve on Jul 5, 2024 21:29:02 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now.
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 5, 2024 22:11:32 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. Over stated. Take the money away from the black market and organised crime. Free up space in our overcrowded courts and prisons. Regulate purity and strength. Raise billions for the exchequer. It's a no brainer.
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Post by Steve on Jul 5, 2024 22:22:00 GMT
That'd be no brainer like someone high as a kite driving into me on a road would it.
Tell you what legalise cannabis just as long as you accept anyone found high in charge of a car, child, any weapon, any other dangerous machinery or making life critical decisions gets to be banged up for 5 years first offence, doubled second etc.
Deal?
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 5, 2024 22:46:37 GMT
That'd be no brainer like someone high as a kite driving into me on a road would it. Tell you what legalise cannabis just as long as you accept anyone found high in charge of a car, child, any weapon, any other dangerous machinery or making life critical decisions gets to be banged up for 5 years first offence, doubled second etc. Deal? Driving under the influence is already a crime and that wouldn't change. I'll make you a deal, ban alcohol and tobacco and I'll believe you care about public health.
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Post by Steve on Jul 5, 2024 22:48:22 GMT
Alcohol is easy to detect, anyone with a nose can detect someone pissed so easily. Cannabis very much not so
So BIG difference
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 10:09:46 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. For those with conditions it helps, it should be legalised, for others, there should be small deterrents in place to prevent its widespread usage and adoption for recreational use. We don't want a Portugal type drug situation. It's really bizarre to see people talking about wanting to ban alcohol and tobacco
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Post by dappy on Jul 6, 2024 10:13:51 GMT
I suspect if the health effects were known many years ago, tobacco would be banned and cannabis and alcohol permitted. Not an issue I spend too much time worrying about however…..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 10:18:52 GMT
Well the LDs have plenty of amazing ideas, Jo Swinson was fantastic in 2019 for example, but this might be even better
I am quick to remember what Ed Davey did whilst in the Coalition govt in 2010, so they will probably just u-turn on all of this if they ever get near the levers of power again like they did with tuition fees and all else
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Post by Steve on Jul 6, 2024 11:30:17 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. For those with conditions it helps, it should be legalised, for others, there should be small deterrents in place to prevent its widespread usage and adoption for recreational use. We don't want a Portugal type drug situation. It's really bizarre to see people talking about wanting to ban alcohol and tobacco yes for those it helps it shoould be prescribed just like we still (and rightly so) still prescribe heroin (for some terminal cancer patients - its original use)
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 6, 2024 14:57:02 GMT
Nah. There was an argument for legalising it before the modern super strength variants were developed but we can't put that genie back in the bottle now. For those with conditions it helps, it should be legalised, for others, there should be small deterrents in place to prevent its widespread usage and adoption for recreational use. We don't want a Portugal type drug situation. It's really bizarre to see people talking about wanting to ban alcohol and tobacco What's wrong with treating drug use as a medical condition rather than a criminal one? Instead of spending huge amounts on prosecuting and imprisoning drug users why not spend it on re-hab facilities instead? We could learn a lot from Portugal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 15:23:58 GMT
You've read about the problems Portugal faces I presume, do you want those problems in the UK?
Drug use shouldn't be heavily criminalised and penalties should mostly be a small slap on the wrist for tiny amounts, but dealing should be dealt with harshly, the black market should be crimped and there should be small deterrents on possession of small amounts of drugs so people aren't encouraged to recreationally use them. Drug use increased in Portugal among the young, that's not good.
It should be deterred not encouraged, but not heavily criminalised either, there's a fine balance.
For drugs that confer a medical benefit on the user, for specific conditions, they should be legalised if there's a medical need for them only.
And I agree with reasonable taxes on alcohol and tobacco to deter its use, but nothing more than that, anything else is the government getting too involved in people's lives. The obvious difference between tobacco and drugs is that tobacco doesn't really get you "high" or impair you, unless you're talking those ridiculous shisha hits or something special - as for alcohol, there are a lot of penalties for improper use of alcohol when it comes to driving or public intoxication etc already
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 6, 2024 19:04:22 GMT
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Post by montegriffo on Jul 6, 2024 19:07:48 GMT
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Post by patman post on Jul 6, 2024 20:16:27 GMT
Alcohol is easy to detect, anyone with a nose can detect someone pissed so easily. Cannabis very much not so So BIG difference But the Met claim to be able to smell cannabis through closed windows of cars they follow and stop. Why not equip every drug squad with an officer sporting such a sensitive porcine nose? Job done…
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