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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2024 20:46:19 GMT
You can't evidence your position, fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 20:51:30 GMT
Logic. Most cars are pulled over and then the drivers breathalysed. Most that end in prosecution. Your pretence that no one ever takes the keys off someone before they drive is noted. Awkwardly it's actually very common. A case reported just yesterdayAnd responsible people are just as capable of doing the same for people who are stoned. And they don't need to sniff it if they have seen them smoking spliffs all night. And warning you of the risks of making yourself look a fool is not a personal attack. It is a genuine risk. And you are no fool. But you do have clear logical blind spots on this one and are deploying the most feeble of logical arguments in a desperate attempt not to realise you are wrong. That makes your case look emotionally driven rather than logically driven and you appear to be trying however desperately to make the logic fit your desired assumptions. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 20:57:16 GMT
You can't evidence your position, fact. Now you are reduced to adding the word "fact" to the end of a sentence as if this makes it more true. As for the evidence that police don't arrest people until they are committing a crime, are you really reduced to asking for evidence of that logically obvious fact? It might be more apt for you to present your evidence for the incredible assertion that the police regularly stop people before they have even committed a crime. The above response from you is pathetic and pitiful. Don't let him wind you up Benn old buddy. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 20:58:54 GMT
Logic. Most cars are pulled over and then the drivers breathalysed. Most that end in prosecution. Your pretence that no one ever takes the keys off someone before they drive is noted. Awkwardly it's actually very common. A case reported just yesterdayEvidence please to show that that is anything other than a guess. One case proves nothing. I could show you a whole TV series of cops pulling over drunk drivers. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 20:59:50 GMT
You can't evidence your position, fact. Neither can you. But we can provide 10 times the circumstantial evidence you can. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 21:02:37 GMT
You can't evidence your position, fact. To put it another way, I cannot evidence the fact that the police rarely arrest murderers until they have killed someone either, a fact so logically obvious that no one would ever have bothered measuring it. You do not need evidence to support the logically obvious unless you are dealing with someone who has parted company from logic, at which point rational, logical debate becomes impossible with that person. You have almost reached that point. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 21:03:12 GMT
2020 Total drink driving convictions 28,171
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2024 21:04:49 GMT
Well we've seen no evidence from you.
Think it through. If Cannabis is legalised then the price will fall and usage will increase. Therefore there will be more opportunities for being to be driving stoned and an increased wish for users to hide that status. It won't take long before serial users will work out that the lower price means they don't have to use the more efficient consumption model (smoking) and that they are a lot less likely to be prevented from driving or caught driving if they take it orally because there won't be the smell.
And they will be high for longer if taking it orally
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2024 21:06:48 GMT
You can't evidence your position, fact. Neither can you. But we can provide 10 times the circumstantial evidence you can. Go on then. Took me not long to find a second case of keys being taken off. And that's the cases that make the papers, It happens and people get removed from safety equipment at places of work if they small of alcohol. But as pointed out oral cannabis users don't small of it. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 21:09:15 GMT
Well we've seen no evidence from you. Think it through. If Cannabis is legalised then the price will fall and usage will increase. Therefore there will be more opportunities for being to be driving stoned and an increased wish for users to hide that status. It won't take long before serial users will work out that the lower price means they don't have to use the more efficient consumption model (smoking) and that they are a lot less likely to be prevented from driving or caught driving if they take it orally because there won't be the smell. And they will be high for longer if taking it orally I'm against it being legalised. But your guess that it will be abused is a guess As is your idea that people will chew it instead of smoking it (even though the vast majority smoke it now. And then your crazy idea that the police spot drink drivers by smelling their breath. Not very convincing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 21:11:11 GMT
You can't evidence your position, fact. Fair enough. But asking us to prove the logically obvious whilst employing the feeblest of logic himself tends to be the sort of thing that winds the rest of us up. It is nearly time for me to walk away from this one for the rest of the night anyway. Between us, most of us have roundly shown his arguments to be weak and clearly shown him to be wrong in large measure, but he is the only one who cannot see it. That's what happens when the driving force behind an opinion is emotion rather than either logic or experience. |
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Post by Zany on Sept 2, 2024 21:11:17 GMT
Neither can you. But we can provide 10 times the circumstantial evidence you can. Go on then. Took me not long to find a second case of keys being taken off. And that's the cases that make the papers, It happens and people get removed from safety equipment at places of work if they small of alcohol. But as pointed out oral cannabis users don't small of it. 2020 Total drink driving convictions 28,171
Drunk while driving, not stopped from driving because they were drunk. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
. . And then your crazy idea that the police spot drink drivers by smelling their breath. Not very convincing. Because I never said thatPlease desist in making up false sories about what I've posted |
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2024 21:16:02 GMT
Go on then. Took me not long to find a second case of keys being taken off. And that's the cases that make the papers, It happens and people get removed from safety equipment at places of work if they small of alcohol. But as pointed out oral cannabis users don't small of it. 2020 Total drink driving convictions 28,171
Drunk while driving, not stopped from driving because they were drunk. Worth a separate discussion. Many convictions are for people that are not drunk. The legal limit was deliberately set well lower than that point. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 21:17:53 GMT
Well we've seen no evidence from you. Think it through. If Cannabis is legalised then the price will fall and usage will increase. Therefore there will be more opportunities for being to be driving stoned and an increased wish for users to hide that status. It won't take long before serial users will work out that the lower price means they don't have to use the more efficient consumption model (smoking) and that they are a lot less likely to be prevented from driving or caught driving if they take it orally because there won't be the smell. And they will be high for longer if taking it orally Again assumptions rather than proven facts. Do you not think the price will be kept fairly high via taxation. Any government legalising it could always prevent the price from falling using taxation. And you are obsessed by the smell issue which is a non issue. It is not the smell issue that causes drivers to be pulled over but their erratic driving. And if being stoned causes such erratic driving it won't matter a hoot whether they have smoked it or swallowed it. And there is a reason why lower income groups are more likely to take cannabis. And that is because it is cheaper than alcohol already, due to the fact that alcohol is taxed heavily whilst cannabis is not. Join the dots on that one. |
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