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Post by equivocal on Jun 25, 2024 9:34:48 GMT
For 2023, assuming non monetary gold makes up the lion's share, exports to the EU were £1.2bn and to non EU £16.4bn.
If my arithmetic is correct, that changes Vinny's £368bn to £362bn.
Which is still extremely healthy. I don't know. What I see from the figures is our trade deficit with the EU becoming larger and larger while our surplus with the rest of the world appears to be shrinking.
I'm not sure I'd describe that as healthy.
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Post by Steve on Jun 25, 2024 10:17:41 GMT
From same web site: 'Gold mining in the UK is far from a mainstream industry today however'That 2022 figure Badenoch and the gullible so trumpet was a one off. As already proven, our exports have fallen since.
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Post by vinny on Jun 25, 2024 14:19:06 GMT
Before the referendum the percentage of exported trade we were doing with the EU had fallen from 54% of our exports in 2000, to 43% by 2015. Rampant industrial decline was occurring, causing havoc to communities and widening the North South divide.
Far more important than overall GDP is sorting out the divide, healing damaged communities and eliminating poverty with jobs. That's what we should be prioritising.
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Post by Steve on Jun 25, 2024 15:42:14 GMT
Well you won't sort out the divide with a Brexit that made the economy poorer and a few very rich. Nor will you sort it seeking face saving poor trade deals that end up make a few even richer and exporting UK jobs to India etc will you.
Being in the tent with the largest free trade block in the world and a high paying one in world terms not that's the way to reduce divides. Shame you tore up that option.
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Post by aristaeus on Jun 26, 2024 19:34:33 GMT
Brexit has cost the UK in the region of £65bn. What is the benefit? Wrong, it saved us £38,000,000,000. Our exports to the EU and the rest of the world are up in value, above inflation. And our position as an exporter has vastly improved. The benefit is independence, self governance, the ability to make our own laws and bilaterally negotiate free trade agreements with other countries, to enact sanctions unilaterally, to set standards of our own, based on facts and evidence rather than absurdity. We are also members of the Commonwealth of Nations. It's high time we invite the democratic reform of the Commonwealth into a free trade organisation to help lift former colonies out of poverty. Many of those countries have abundant resources. Free trade will help them and us. I was wrong. I said Brexit had cost the UK £65bn, on further investigation it's actually cost £178bn. Our exports are down. This is from the office of budget responsibilities: "Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU."
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Post by totheleft on Jun 27, 2024 14:26:40 GMT
Poor vinny keeps floging a dead horse .
With his Brexit .
Im sure its Farage lol
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Post by Zany on Jun 27, 2024 15:35:58 GMT
Poor vinny keeps floging a dead horse . With his Brexit . Im sure its Farage lol Vinny is pretty good at making his arguments, I just think he's wrong this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 6:51:14 GMT
Before the referendum the percentage of exported trade we were doing with the EU had fallen from 54% of our exports in 2000, to 43% by 2015. Rampant industrial decline was occurring, causing havoc to communities and widening the North South divide. Far more important than overall GDP is sorting out the divide, healing damaged communities and eliminating poverty with jobs. That's what we should be prioritising. If I thought most Brexiters [politicians, not the average Brexit-voting Brit] were going to deliver on that - they'd have my full unequivocal support in that endeavour I was a Brexiter for quite a large portion of 2016, but eventually twigged that they really didn't have our best interests at heart, maybe No2EU (the left wingers supporting Brexit) did but I am fairly certain that others did not. Link2nd link: The Brexit Big Short
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 6:53:49 GMT
Brexit has cost the UK in the region of £65bn. What is the benefit? Wrong, it saved us £38,000,000,000. Our exports to the EU and the rest of the world are up in value, above inflation. And our position as an exporter has vastly improved. The benefit is independence, self governance, the ability to make our own laws and bilaterally negotiate free trade agreements with other countries, to enact sanctions unilaterally, to set standards of our own, based on facts and evidence rather than absurdity. We are also members of the Commonwealth of Nations. It's high time we invite the democratic reform of the Commonwealth into a free trade organisation to help lift former colonies out of poverty. Many of those countries have abundant resources. Free trade will help them and us. Did you see today's articles in the right wing media? Farage himself said Brexit is a failure. He said the same thing to the Daily Express in 2023 and 4/5 readers agreed with the sentiment in a Daily Express poll - there isn't a more pro-Brexit paper than the Express.
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Post by Saint on Jul 1, 2024 6:56:25 GMT
Wrong, it saved us £38,000,000,000. Our exports to the EU and the rest of the world are up in value, above inflation. And our position as an exporter has vastly improved. The benefit is independence, self governance, the ability to make our own laws and bilaterally negotiate free trade agreements with other countries, to enact sanctions unilaterally, to set standards of our own, based on facts and evidence rather than absurdity. We are also members of the Commonwealth of Nations. It's high time we invite the democratic reform of the Commonwealth into a free trade organisation to help lift former colonies out of poverty. Many of those countries have abundant resources. Free trade will help them and us. Did you see today's articles in the right wing media? Farage himself said Brexit is a failure. He said the same thing to the Daily Express in 2023 and 4/5 readers agreed with the sentiment in a Daily Express poll - there isn't a more pro-Brexit paper than the Express. My favourite was when GB News held a poll on the issue ... and lost!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 6:57:03 GMT
The EU is currently pursuing right-wing policies that are not dissimilar to the things the Tories are doing, they have similar schemes to the Rwanda scheme except they've been doing it many years longer than our govt have tried to.
And many prominent commentators like George Monbiot are now openly critical of whether we should be shot of the EU or not, I can't disagree with any of the criticisms made. My only reason for supporting the existence of the EU (or a new entity that would replace it) is that its primary purpose is to prevent wars between European states as in WWII, to that end it has been a perfect success - expecting anything else is unreasonable at this point
That's why I'm a diehard pro- EU supporter unto death because I prefer peace to world war and no matter how bad the EU gets, until it turns fully Nazi, it will have my undying support because its very existence is a huge impediment to world war. And that's really why it was formed, to prevent European states from going to war again.
Expecting anything else - anything else at all - from the EU is probably asking too much at this point, so even with their Rwanda-style schemes, Ursula's corruption scandals and the recent Russian infiltration scandal in the Europarl - and all the waste and all the rest of it - it still has my undying support because I don't want another world war
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Post by Zany on Jul 1, 2024 6:59:36 GMT
Before the referendum the percentage of exported trade we were doing with the EU had fallen from 54% of our exports in 2000, to 43% by 2015. Rampant industrial decline was occurring, causing havoc to communities and widening the North South divide. Far more important than overall GDP is sorting out the divide, healing damaged communities and eliminating poverty with jobs. That's what we should be prioritising. If I thought most Brexiters [politicians, not the average Brexit-voting Brit] were going to deliver on that - they'd have my full unequivocal support in that endeavour I was a Brexiter for quite a large portion of 2016, but eventually twigged that they really didn't have our best interests at heart, maybe No2EU (the left wingers supporting Brexit) did but I am fairly certain that others did not. Link2nd link: The Brexit Big ShortI have said for a considerable time that Farage was more interested in propping up a failing career than saving the British people, but I think your post will fall on deaf ears here. Oh, and welcome to the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 7:01:19 GMT
Did you see today's articles in the right wing media? Farage himself said Brexit is a failure. He said the same thing to the Daily Express in 2023 and 4/5 readers agreed with the sentiment in a Daily Express poll - there isn't a more pro-Brexit paper than the Express. My favourite was when GB News held a poll on the issue ... and lost! The Daily Express is now owned by Trinity Mirror group, while they post a lot of the usual right-wing populist dross, they also post surprisingly left leaning stuff compared to past years The current editor openly touts his creds in 'turning it around' in that respect WikiAlso see: this
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Post by Zany on Jul 1, 2024 7:02:13 GMT
Did you see today's articles in the right wing media? Farage himself said Brexit is a failure. He said the same thing to the Daily Express in 2023 and 4/5 readers agreed with the sentiment in a Daily Express poll - there isn't a more pro-Brexit paper than the Express. My favourite was when GB News held a poll on the issue ... and lost! I think Labour are being too timid about re-joining the EU. The polls have been in favour of membership constantly since 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 7:03:03 GMT
If I thought most Brexiters [politicians, not the average Brexit-voting Brit] were going to deliver on that - they'd have my full unequivocal support in that endeavour I was a Brexiter for quite a large portion of 2016, but eventually twigged that they really didn't have our best interests at heart, maybe No2EU (the left wingers supporting Brexit) did but I am fairly certain that others did not. Link2nd link: The Brexit Big ShortI have said for a considerable time that Farage was more interested in propping up a failing career than saving the British people, but I think your post will fall on deaf ears here. Oh, and welcome to the forum. In which way was Farage's career failing prior to Brexit? I'm not trying to be argumentative - I'm asking because I'd like more info on that - and it might even help me make my argument more eloquently; more info is always good And thanks for the welcome, but don't welcome me too soon as I get banned from almost every forum I frequent, as Steve will tell you We posted together for a time on the old PoFo UK board around 2016 I think [you and me]
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