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May 4, 2024 19:07:11 GMT
Post by equivocal on May 4, 2024 19:07:11 GMT
I don't know and I don't know if it has been challenged. From the perspective of potential returnees from Ireland the Safe Country basis appears to be, in comparison to a qua Dublin Agreement challenge, low hanging fruit.
But, as I said, I'm guessing because I don't know where the Ireland/UK agreement is to be found. Not that it would matter to the chancers running the UK at the moment.
Cheers again. It seems there is a return agreement between the UK and Ireland, but, according to to the government, it is not legally binding.ukandeu.ac.uk/does-the-uks-rwanda-policy-risk-the-uk-ireland-relationship/No surprise there then!
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Rwanda
May 5, 2024 7:46:30 GMT
Post by Zany on May 5, 2024 7:46:30 GMT
So if I flee persecution in England and manage to reach France, I can happily freeze or starve to death because I'm no longer a refugee? Not if you were fleeing real refugee level persecution in England. So if I flee persecution in Sudan and manage to reach France, I can happily freeze or starve to death because I'm no longer a refugee?
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May 5, 2024 7:53:48 GMT
Post by Orac on May 5, 2024 7:53:48 GMT
Not if you were fleeing real refugee level persecution in England. So if I flee persecution in Sudan and manage to reach France, I can happily freeze or starve to death because I'm no longer a refugee? I don't know what you mean by the term 'refugee' here. Clearly the special waiver that allowed you to leave Sudan 'unofficially', doesn't apply to France. I'd call the notion that it did patently idiotic. It is impossible to tell who came originally from where, so this would amount to dismantling all national borders
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May 5, 2024 8:00:22 GMT
Post by Zany on May 5, 2024 8:00:22 GMT
So if I flee persecution in Sudan and manage to reach France, I can happily freeze or starve to death because I'm no longer a refugee? I don't know what you mean by the term 'refugee' here. Clearly the special waiver that allowed you to leave Sudan 'unofficially', doesn't apply to France. I'd call the notion that it did patently idiotic. It is impossible to tell who came originally from where, so this would amount to dismantling all national borders You don't understand my point because it was not addressed to you. Read back to the post it was addressed to.
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May 5, 2024 19:29:17 GMT
Post by Steve on May 5, 2024 19:29:17 GMT
Not if you were fleeing real refugee level persecution in England. So if I flee persecution in Sudan and manage to reach France, I can happily freeze or starve to death because I'm no longer a refugee? I didn't say that. If you were such and managed to reach France having transitioned through say safe country Germany then you would have been the architect of the latest stage of your misfortune.
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Rwanda
May 5, 2024 20:24:19 GMT
Post by Zany on May 5, 2024 20:24:19 GMT
So if I flee persecution in Sudan and manage to reach France, I can happily freeze or starve to death because I'm no longer a refugee? I didn't say that. If you were such and managed to reach France having transitioned through say safe country Germany then you would have been the architect of the latest stage of your misfortune. Why have you suddenly added Germany? My point is that being in France/Germany/England does not stop you being a refugee until someone takes care of you.
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May 5, 2024 22:45:51 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on May 5, 2024 22:45:51 GMT
Refugee is a status that you have once your asylum claim is granted.
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May 6, 2024 0:47:56 GMT
Post by Steve on May 6, 2024 0:47:56 GMT
I didn't say that. If you were such and managed to reach France having transitioned through say safe country Germany then you would have been the architect of the latest stage of your misfortune. Why have you suddenly added Germany? My point is that being in France/Germany/England does not stop you being a refugee until someone takes care of you. I haven't suddenly added Germany It's known that many of those boat people went through Germany before arriving in France and that France uses that as a reason not to give them asylum.
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Rwanda
May 6, 2024 6:33:25 GMT
Post by Zany on May 6, 2024 6:33:25 GMT
Why have you suddenly added Germany? My point is that being in France/Germany/England does not stop you being a refugee until someone takes care of you. I haven't suddenly added Germany It's known that many of those boat people went through Germany before arriving in France and that France uses that as a reason not to give them asylum. That's not true. Asylum in the EU is carried out independently of the country you apply from and refugees are shared out among all member states.
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May 6, 2024 10:13:02 GMT
Post by Steve on May 6, 2024 10:13:02 GMT
Nope, will try and find the relevant article
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May 6, 2024 12:54:53 GMT
Post by Steve on May 6, 2024 12:54:53 GMT
I've looked as much as I care. I know what I read about a year ago about migrants trapped in France because they rejected 'as came through Germany' and Germany wouldn't take back 'as it's been over 30 days.
There is no EU unified procedure there is the Common European Asylum System but that is actually just common standards each EU country must use in there own national systems.
France is currently trying to change its asylum procedure
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May 6, 2024 13:01:35 GMT
Post by montegriffo on May 6, 2024 13:01:35 GMT
I've looked as much as I care. I know what I read about a year ago about migrants trapped in France because they rejected 'as came through Germany' and Germany wouldn't take back 'as it's been over 30 days. There is no EU unified procedure there is the Common European Asylum System but that is actually just common standards each EU country must use in there own national systems. France is currently trying to change its asylum procedure ...but that would mean EU countries retained sovereignty over asylum and Brexit was a lie. Can't be true, that would mean we were misled.
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May 6, 2024 18:19:45 GMT
Post by Steve on May 6, 2024 18:19:45 GMT
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May 6, 2024 18:22:38 GMT
Post by Zany on May 6, 2024 18:22:38 GMT
I've looked as much as I care. I know what I read about a year ago about migrants trapped in France because they rejected 'as came through Germany' and Germany wouldn't take back 'as it's been over 30 days. There is no EU unified procedure there is the Common European Asylum System but that is actually just common standards each EU country must use in there own national systems. France is currently trying to change its asylum procedure www.politico.eu/article/italy-giorgia-meloni-assylum-seekers-eu-holds-migration-deal-hostage/I read this a while back. Seemed to be saying that the big issue of migrants being unfairly held in Italy and Greece was resolved. I also remember Bulgaria holding out but finally caving in.
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